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lumberjack_jeff

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12. autonomy: they're doing it wrong.

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 11:03 AM

Nov 2013

I've explained my personal sense of ambivalence toward porn, but if you believe in "choice" as in "freedom to choose", then it's clear that people should be able to do what they want.

The arguments that I find most vexing are "studies show that porn causes rape". Well, I don't know about "studies", but my lying eyes, as well as the NCVS tell me that rape victimization is far less common than it was before porn became ubiquitous. Arguing that an inverse correlation = causation should get people laughed out of the room.

It is very possible that the NCVS survey undercounts rape victims, but it's valid in a way that no other survey is going to be able to do better; it's been asking the same questions since 1972 and thus provides useful trend information. If rape is undercounted today (because of ambiguous definition of rape for instance) then it was doing so in 1972 as well.

Among grownups, "No" means no. "Yes" means yes.

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Look familiar? Just try to guess the source of this... [View all] Bonobo Nov 2013 OP

Who do we know that routinely conflates consensual with non-consensual sexual activity? Major Nikon Nov 2013 #1

Ah, but you're wrong I think. Bonobo Nov 2013 #2

Actually the answer doesn't surprise me in the least Major Nikon Nov 2013 #8

I had an argument to that effect last night with two of them. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #11

ANSWER HERE Bonobo Nov 2013 #3

Someone somewhere or other, not sure where, was speculating what it is about this topic which causes Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #4

I've never seen them single out gay or lesbian porn for the same criticism. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #13

Yes means maybe and maybe means no. Bonobo Nov 2013 #16

No. No means no, and yes means Seeking Serenity Nov 2013 #17

unless you have an approved chaperone to give that consent for you loli phabay Nov 2013 #18

I'm not taking the time to read the article, but... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #5

also there is an issue that they believe porn is commercial rather than heavily amateur loli phabay Nov 2013 #6

Not so much that they believe, but... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #7

Commercial porn is pretty anemic in itself Major Nikon Nov 2013 #9

good points, the majority of specialised stuff nowadays is amateur interactive stuff loli phabay Nov 2013 #10

autonomy: they're doing it wrong. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #12

Sounds like someone is trying very hard to claim down is up Major Nikon Nov 2013 #14

"When the theory doesn't match reality, one should question the theory, not reality." lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #15

Yes, that's rather silly. But why get up in arms about it? nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #19

I'm not up in arms. Bonobo Nov 2013 #20

Okay. I didn't think you were really that upset about it. I was just kind of like, "Yeah. So?" nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #21

Well I think the significance is this: Bonobo Nov 2013 #22

You may be right. I just don't spend much time worrying about others' hangups. n/t nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #23

I wish I was more like you. Bonobo Nov 2013 #24

Seems odd... ElboRuum Nov 2013 #25