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lumberjack_jeff

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11. If we can't agree on the definitions of words, then it's kind of pointless to talk about anything.

Sat Aug 17, 2013, 10:35 AM

Aug 2013

One can only defend the idea that "sexism against men" doesn't exist by arguing the point that "sexism" means bigotry and bias against women only.

The really funny thing is that the same people will make the argument that the flipside of sexism (against women, of course) is "benevolent sexism". No one has yet given me an example of benevolent sexism which cannot be more easily described and explained as sexism against men.

So, there are apparently only two kinds of sexism. Hostile and benevolent sexism against women. So, when men are given longer sentences for the same crime, this constitutes benevolent sexism against women.

I think this entire argument is itself proof that sexism against men is a thing.

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True or false? [View all] opiate69 Aug 2013 OP

False. And a little bit annoying. nt rrneck Aug 2013 #1

The larger problem, I think, is that people confuse their labels and terms with objective reality. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #2

So are you saying... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #3

Sexism is discrimination based on sex Major Nikon Aug 2013 #5

Explaining the reasoning is not the same as defending it. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #8

If someone's opinion is based in subliteracy, I'm not sure how valuable that opinion is Major Nikon Aug 2013 #10

Dictionaries are less subjective than music preference. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2013 #12

That's not what sexism means to me Major Nikon Aug 2013 #14

The belief that mothers are better parents doesn't come from nefarious intent. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2013 #15

Ugh ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2013 #21

I think the position in favor of the statement in question boils down to: opiate69 Aug 2013 #6

If we can't agree on the definitions of words, then it's kind of pointless to talk about anything. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2013 #11

"...it's kind of pointless to talk about anything" Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #17

Yes and no. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2013 #18

I salute you- and your dedication to that potentially Sisyphusian task. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #19

I suppose that's a healthier attitude. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2013 #20

"Silence is consent" ? - ur kidding I hope . . . ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #22

Jeff is perfectly capable of explaining his own words, but I feel the need to mention, here: Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #23

" Taking those 3 words totally out of context" - umm . . that was the first complete sentence. ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #24

Yeah. And the subthread was quite obviously about discussion... opiate69 Aug 2013 #25

Next step in the disingenuousness dance, of course Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #27

Yeah.. it gets fucking old... opiate69 Aug 2013 #28

1 = 40. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #29

I'm tired of seeing statements made in this group taken wildly & deliberately out of context. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #26

False. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2013 #4

It's semantics ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2013 #7

False, false, false, false, false Seeking Serenity Aug 2013 #9

Excellent point lumberjack_jeff Aug 2013 #16

False. nt RiffRandell Aug 2013 #13

it works both ways ... but, more often it works the other way. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2013 #30

I doubt that. ElboRuum Aug 2013 #31

I don't doubt it and this is why - Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2013 #32

You're kidding, right? ElboRuum Aug 2013 #33

No, I am not kidding and you are the one trying to shove a 4lb sack of garlic baloney Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2013 #34

How about "no." ElboRuum Aug 2013 #35

perhaps they share power unequally. you men have your ways and women have their ways Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2013 #37

My job is not to impress you. ElboRuum Sep 2013 #39

Your opinion is wanted as much as anyone here Major Nikon Sep 2013 #42

This must be the "back on your heads" moment.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2013 #36

I take your comment to mean that you are calling this place Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2013 #38

Bye bye! ElboRuum Sep 2013 #40

I'm sorry your passive aggressive bullshit isn't welcome ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #41

If men in power are in collusion to oppress women, they are doing a piss-poor job of it Major Nikon Sep 2013 #43

Wow! Behind the Aegis Sep 2013 #44

Beat me to it by a minute! TreasonousBastard Sep 2013 #46

... Major Nikon Sep 2013 #48

This stayed, obviously, and it was 6-0, but considering some of what goes on here... TreasonousBastard Sep 2013 #45

It's certainly one of the more comical frivolous alerts I've seen Major Nikon Sep 2013 #47

The alerter does not have the guts to come here and answer point by point.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #49

They know it's true, but an entire world-view depends on refusing to acknowledge it. n/t lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #50

Alert trolls are kinda like cockroaches Major Nikon Sep 2013 #51

Kind of off topic, but this seems as good a place as any to share the wonderous stuff in my head. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #52

lol.. yup, yup.. opiate69 Sep 2013 #53

False In_The_Wind Sep 2013 #54