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alp227

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Sun Jul 29, 2012, 01:48 PM Jul 2012

Andrew Hacker: Is Algebra Necessary? (PUUUUUUUUKE) [View all]

Last edited Sun Jul 29, 2012, 09:04 PM - Edit history (1)

About the author: Andrew Hacker is an emeritus professor of political science at Queens College, City University of New York, and a co-author of “Higher Education? How Colleges Are Wasting Our Money and Failing Our Kids — and What We Can Do About It.”

How did this stupid load of crap make it to the New York Times Sunday opinion page anyway? So let's just surrender math to the Chinese, Indians, and Norwegians while we Americans just have empty good feelings, this article is, essentially.


A TYPICAL American school day finds some six million high school students and two million college freshmen struggling with algebra. In both high school and college, all too many students are expected to fail. Why do we subject American students to this ordeal? I’ve found myself moving toward the strong view that we shouldn’t.

My question extends beyond algebra and applies more broadly to the usual mathematics sequence, from geometry through calculus. State regents and legislators — and much of the public — take it as self-evident that every young person should be made to master polynomial functions and parametric equations.

There are many defenses of algebra and the virtue of learning it. Most of them sound reasonable on first hearing; many of them I once accepted. But the more I examine them, the clearer it seems that they are largely or wholly wrong — unsupported by research or evidence, or based on wishful logic. (I’m not talking about quantitative skills, critical for informed citizenship and personal finance, but a very different ballgame.)

This debate matters. Making mathematics mandatory prevents us from discovering and developing young talent. In the interest of maintaining rigor, we’re actually depleting our pool of brainpower. I say this as a writer and social scientist whose work relies heavily on the use of numbers. My aim is not to spare students from a difficult subject, but to call attention to the real problems we are causing by misdirecting precious resources.

The toll mathematics takes begins early. To our nation’s shame, one in four ninth graders fail to finish high school. In South Carolina, 34 percent fell away in 2008-9, according to national data released last year; for Nevada, it was 45 percent. Most of the educators I’ve talked with cite algebra as the major academic reason.


And I found Hacker's take on my state's university entry requirements particularly offensive:

California’s two university systems, for instance, consider applications only from students who have taken three years of mathematics and in that way exclude many applicants who might excel in fields like art or history. Community college students face an equally prohibitive mathematics wall. A study of two-year schools found that fewer than a quarter of their entrants passed the algebra classes they were required to take.

“There are students taking these courses three, four, five times,” says Barbara Bonham of Appalachian State University. While some ultimately pass, she adds, “many drop out.”


The stupid keeps on hurting:

What of the claim that mathematics sharpens our minds and makes us more intellectually adept as individuals and a citizen body? It’s true that mathematics requires mental exertion. But there’s no evidence that being able to prove (x² + y²)² = (x² - y²)² + (2xy)² leads to more credible political opinions or social analysis.


Among the "NYT Picks" comments: one said: "Not one of my students ever told me that they were interested in doing anything with their lives that would involve algebra. But many dropped out because of algebra." (with 37 recommendations)

Another, with 92 recommendations: "Understanding algebra, geometry, and trigonometry shapes perception of the physical world and allows the young minds to grasp the other sciences more firmly. Beyond that, the processes needed to learn math teach young people mental discipline and shape their brain's pathways for higher learning."

(ETA) PZ Myers, a biology professor and atheist advocate, takes down Hacker:

We live in a technological society. Not learning algebra in the public school system means those kids will not be prepared, will not be qualified, to do anything in science and engineering. I’m serious: if you don’t know algebra, you can’t do basic quantitative chemistry, and if you can’t do that, you can’t do biology. At all. Not the molecular/biochemical/bench side, not the ecological/evolutionary/field side. You can’t do physics, that’s for sure. Forget math and statistics. If you’re not capable of grasping statistics, forget psychology, too.

You can probably still be a competent English major, I admit. But wouldn’t we be better off if all the English majors had an inkling of the foundations of science, as well as all the science majors having a touch of the humanities and social sciences? Shouldn’t we expect that even those people who choose not to pursue a college degree ought to have a bare minimum of competence in math and history and language and science and art, if we’re actually going to deem them educated?
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except as an elective Algebra is pretty much useless for many students... msongs Jul 2012 #1
False. Try, for instance, grasping the calculation of compound interest on a bank loan for a home.. lastlib Jul 2012 #4
Maybe. But students who don't tackle those subjects may be shutting doors prematurely. pnwmom Jul 2012 #6
I practiced math until I CRK7376 Aug 2012 #57
I know there are people like you because my sister is one of them. pnwmom Aug 2012 #60
Math is part of a broad liberal arts education exboyfil Jul 2012 #7
+1 proud2BlibKansan Jul 2012 #11
That's a crock. Daemonaquila Jul 2012 #8
Algebra won't help them make change. Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #18
plenty of jobs require you to find an unknown quantity. like a number of hospital jobs, for example HiPointDem Jul 2012 #37
I agree 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #51
As a Nurse.... AnneD Feb 2013 #63
are you kidding? trixie Mar 2013 #65
So who is this brain-fart-from-hell, anyway? Without my training in math.... lastlib Jul 2012 #2
I don't think his argument is that you shouldn't have taken it, or Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #19
I don't write for a living, so why take English? Confusious Jul 2012 #30
You are making it too binary and simplistic. Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #42
?! Confusious Jul 2012 #47
Grunting and bartering 101 Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #62
I most certainly do care about their outcome. lastlib Jul 2012 #44
I don't think that logical, disciplined thinking has to hinder the creative process. pnwmom Aug 2012 #61
The language of science........ suston96 Jul 2012 #3
Figures a "soft science," ( I say that loosely Confusious Jul 2012 #5
Yes. Of course. Hard science is the only true test of intelligence. Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #20
Algebra doesn't qualify as "hard science" Confusious Jul 2012 #23
Your attitude toward the "soft sciences" Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #24
Just chomping at the bit, aren't you Confusious Jul 2012 #25
Since I was organizing my collection Confusious Jul 2012 #26
Nice math library.... xocet Aug 2012 #48
I think Mr. Hacker's Supposition is Completely Off-Base dballance Jul 2012 #9
English vs. Math different argument Genghis_Sean Aug 2012 #53
Interestingly Enough Writing and Comprehension were important at my "technical" University dballance Aug 2012 #54
thats just it trixie Mar 2013 #66
This is a crosspost from the Onion, right? mbperrin Jul 2012 #10
Your last sentence Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #21
I would invite you to room 160 at Odessa High School for any class period after school starts on mbperrin Jul 2012 #36
The issue I'm working on as school starts this fall Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #41
I do it at the end of the first week of class. mbperrin Jul 2012 #43
This English major took up through Calc II. knitter4democracy Jul 2012 #12
Bizarre pokerfan Jul 2012 #13
I taught math for many years. During that time, I never promoted the view struggle4progress Jul 2012 #14
I get the same comments about English. Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #22
No doubt you do get similar idiotic remarks about English. But I'm not about to make struggle4progress Jul 2012 #45
I am not against the broad exposure. I think it is important. Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #46
How about this argument.... xocet Aug 2012 #49
+1. Every kid should know the basics of everything. Math, art, music, science, history, PE, HiPointDem Jul 2012 #39
I find it interesting that math and music go hand in hand trixie Mar 2013 #67
Better ways to change math education RobertAustin Jul 2012 #15
Math has never CRK7376 Aug 2012 #58
More so than memorizing multiplication tables... ehrnst Jul 2012 #16
It drives me crazy that my middle school students come to me with no mental math skills. LWolf Jul 2012 #17
No. Igel Jul 2012 #29
imo going to calculators immediately = fake education. for math-minds who intuitively grasp the HiPointDem Jul 2012 #40
The Beauty of Algebra. mia Jul 2012 #27
We wouldn't want to challenge students! liberal N proud Jul 2012 #28
Ugh... algebra is painfully easy... Lemonwurst Jul 2012 #31
Plus, searching for the unknown can be lots of fun. mia Jul 2012 #34
ugh math hard d_r Jul 2012 #32
my mind does`t compute algerbra madrchsod Jul 2012 #33
See? You DO understand algebra. mbperrin Aug 2012 #56
No. It's not. Igel Jul 2012 #35
"He learned it in application". I had a similar experience. The way i was taught math was very HiPointDem Jul 2012 #38
Necessary? ICDpress Aug 2012 #50
(x² + y²)² = (x² - y²)² + (2xy)² Solve it, or else. DetlefK Aug 2012 #52
my GOOD experience with algebra skippercollector Aug 2012 #55
Lots of good points in all CRK7376 Aug 2012 #59
Seems pretty obvious that political science is certainly a waste of time and energy. mbperrin Feb 2013 #64
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