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Random Boomer

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15. History shows a much different story
Sun Aug 4, 2024, 09:15 AM
Aug 2024
I think the difference between these last hundred years or so...Is that we went from being primarily survival oriented where we used what we needed, to becoming consumers of resources, including willful and wanton destruction of life and land for the sole purpose of having more, status, and pleasure.

No, that's not even remotely true. The history of humankind is filled with stories of people consuming resources for status and for pleasure, and it usually ends badly.

Hunter-gatherers were mostly survival oriented, in between wiping out the large mammal species on every continent they moved in to, but the advent of agriculture some 5,000 to 8,000 years ago (depending on the region) change all of that dramatically. So we've been engaging in resource overshoot for THOUSANDS of years, not just the last 100.

Petroleum-based industrialization has super-charged our population and globalized resource overshoot, and it's introduced a whole new layer of pollutants. But this is a difference of degree, not kind. We are doing what humans have done since the beginning of the current interglacial, we've just gotten better at it as the centuries rolled by.

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So let me get this straight [View all] JMCKUSICK Aug 2024 OP
It was gradually and then all of a sudden. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #1
Lol JMCKUSICK Aug 2024 #3
Ernest Hemingway said it. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #5
Huge impact of wide-spread fossil fuel use with oil well development in the late 19th century. brush Aug 2024 #7
The dark human underbelly of greed/corruption has always been present. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #9
All you say is true, but 150 is 'sudden' in terms of Earth's millions of years of existance. brush Aug 2024 #10
That's why I said gradually and then suddenly. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #12
Well said. Think. Again. Aug 2024 #2
We killed off the wooly mammoth and the sabertooth tiger... Beakybird Aug 2024 #4
That happens as nature fights for survival JMCKUSICK Aug 2024 #6
I'd say the huge meteor that struck the Earth centuries ago had a lot to do with... brush Aug 2024 #11
not quite Cirsium Aug 2024 #18
Hahahahahaha. Just 64 years ago? I thought he was much older. brush Aug 2024 #19
And "Better Living Through Chemistry"......NOT Clouds Passing Aug 2024 #8
No, you didn't get that right Random Boomer Aug 2024 #13
I think the difference between these last hundred years or so JMCKUSICK Aug 2024 #14
History shows a much different story Random Boomer Aug 2024 #15
What has not been mentioned is when it all changed... Finishline42 Aug 2024 #16
For at least 99,900 years, yes years, we lived in relative harmony with planet Earth. ??? Sean Andalou Aug 2024 #17
Many people point to the birth of agriculture (roughly 10,000 years ago) as the beginning of the end. OKIsItJustMe Aug 2024 #20
We live better than Kings of 100 years ago LiberaBlueDem Aug 2024 #21
Neat thread.nt jfz9580m Aug 2024 #22
Bump.nt jfz9580m Aug 2024 #23
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