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redqueen

(115,173 posts)
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 06:42 PM Feb 2012

Right. I'm back. [View all]

Someone reminded me that I posted this last year. And how much I agreed with it. So yeah, I'm over being so badly triggered over the weekend.

Those of you who suggested a break were exactly right. I haven't experienced anything like that on DU and it rattled me. I won't be so shaken next time (I hope).

So this is what convinced me that I shouldn't give up on DU. This is a long article, but it's very very very much worth reading.

All of it.


http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cocktail-party-physics/2011/07/20/is-it-cold-in-here/

Is It Cold in Here?
By Jennifer Ouellette | July 20, 2011 | 106

(snip)

With all the other trouble in the world, why should we care about this? It’s because those climate issues chase many women out of the hard sciences — and indeed, out of any male-dominated community. In March, the University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee, conducted an NSF-funded study on the retention (or lack thereof) of women in engineering. Nearly half of the women surveyed who left engineering said they did so because of negative working conditions, lack of advancement or low salary, and one in three left because they did not like the workplace climate, their boss or the culture. Only one in four left to spend more time with family — the usual excuse that gets trotted out when folks try to explain away the low numbers of women in such fields.

(snip)

It pretty much mirrored every Internet comment thread (follow that link for a terrific comic by Gabby Schulz) that ensues whenever a woman, however diplomatically, dares to raise the issue of sexist behavior, with one crucial difference: Watson was being attacked by members of her own community, who prided themselves on their rationality and critical thinking — in short, by the very people who should have had her back.

Here is the message being sent to the women skeptics and atheists say they want to join their ranks: “If an atheist/skeptic man behaves boorishly toward you, or refuses to respect your boundaries, whether social or sexual, and you have the gall to state firmly that this is not okay, you will be publicly pilloried, ridiculed for being hysterical, called a man-hating feminazi (or worse), and have your concerns belittled and dismissed.”

(snip... and here is the part that's relevant to my wanting to stop participating in discussions here)

(1) Ladies: even though you might not feel 100% welcome, grit your teeth and show up anyway, because there is power in numbers. Studies have shown that these chilling effects start to dissipate as communities approach 50/50 gender ratios. I showed up anyway, and I’m glad I did, because I could see firsthand how much has changed since I last attended TAM. TAM9 had markedly more women in the audience (around 40%), and half the speakers were women. I was the only woman speaker at TAM7 two years ago. That is tremendous progress in a very short time, and the willingness of Watson and her fellow “skepchicks” to show up, speak out, and endure the inevitable slings and arrows cast their way played a key role in making it happen.

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Please read the whole thing. Please.
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Right. I'm back. [View all] redqueen Feb 2012 OP
. PeaceNikki Feb 2012 #1
You will enjoy it, I'm sure. redqueen Feb 2012 #15
good. you are back. i will read it. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #2
Thanks, redqueen Feb 2012 #17
Glad to see you back. DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #3
I chose that as the last paragraph in the excerpt for that reason, yes. redqueen Feb 2012 #16
An excellent read. Thank you for posting this! arcane1 Feb 2012 #4
ha ha. +1. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #6
Isn't it? redqueen Feb 2012 #18
I LOVED that one!! arcane1 Feb 2012 #31
This saddening, but not surprising. And it is such a glorious field, despite what most people think. Gregorian Feb 2012 #5
Music, yeah... have you heard why Sarah McLachlan started Lilith Fair? redqueen Feb 2012 #19
I'm glad you are back! I think all of us need to take a break every now and then from this place. LiberalLoner Feb 2012 #7
i remember that.... nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #9
Jesus. redqueen Feb 2012 #20
No, he wasn't. I did alert but the post was in keeping with the standards of the DU community so it LiberalLoner Feb 2012 #32
well, (1) has been underway for a decade here iverglas Feb 2012 #8
Haven't seen much evidence of them anywhere, really. redqueen Feb 2012 #21
True that. ForeverLiberal Feb 2012 #10
Oh yes, I'm sure most girls and women learn that lesson very early on redqueen Feb 2012 #22
Welcome back! Great article... Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #11
Thanks! redqueen Feb 2012 #23
Interesting. nt BlueIris Feb 2012 #12
? redqueen Feb 2012 #24
I meant the article. Your return is also...uh, interesting probably isn't the word. nt BlueIris Feb 2012 #27
Your evasiveness is not appreciated. redqueen Feb 2012 #28
I haven't had coffee yet. Welcome back. BlueIris Feb 2012 #29
Sorry. redqueen Feb 2012 #30
Yay! You're back! laconicsax Feb 2012 #13
:) redqueen Feb 2012 #25
i'm glad to see you. n/t Scout Feb 2012 #14
Thanks. redqueen Feb 2012 #26
this is so true Tumbulu Feb 2012 #33
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