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KeepItReal

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2. Here's my take:
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 04:33 AM
Jun 2016

"How best to discuss with Sanders supporters that his election may not change much? What have you found to be most effective in encouraging people to direct their efforts towards movements, and not elections? I ask this of any previous Sanders supporters here, too. "
{ANSWER} The idea that this election may not change much is an exposure of the establishmentarian, good old boy (and gal) nature of today's party. If you are not affiliated with the Obama/Clinton team, your ideas will fall by the wayside - if they are not already honestly championed by the party power brokers. LGBT rights has become one of those things.


To what extent do you think any movement will arise from this? What shape will it take? Will it integrate with the movements I mentioned above, in addition to the numerous others out there?
{ANSWER} There are already candidates declared for office inspired by Sen. Sanders. Democracy for America (Gov. Dean's previous Dean for America) did the same. There are already movements based on social media that lobby for liberal causes.


How do you think that we can recognize what Sanders brought to this election (and continues to bring) in the form of awareness while simultaneously affirming that awareness is not the same as action, or even education?
{ANSWER} Either you take up Sanders' platform ideas or you don't. What you're asking is "how do we give him props, but don't actually act on his ideas?" This is why Sanders had to run in the first place. *Nobody* was gonna ask for a $15 Federal Minimum Wage, if not him (maybe Sen. Warren, if she had run. She was my first choice for POTUS, BTW).


How do we establish that US elections are top-down, undemocratic affairs with people that think voting is the paramount method of changing US politics?
{ANSWER} Tell the people we no longer live in a Democracy. The decision has already been made, but we still need you to vote in the General Election. I'm sure that will go over well.


Lastly, more about race--how the f--- do you all get white people to give a shit? Seattle is killing me. Even my close friends, sometimes...and usually I'm pretty good at picking them.
{ANSWER} I'm not White. My White friends don't talk politics with me or they are actually independents or conservatives that do not like the presumptive Democratic nominee in any shape or form. My White neighbors appear to give a shit, but the party seems to deem California irrelevant, so we are powerless to influence the Primary (still counting votes!?! and we are too late to be a king or queen maker) or General Election. So much for inspiration from the DNC or State Dem Party.


Very interesting questions. Hope my responses help.

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