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Fortinbras Armstrong

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3. Starship Troopers number 3?
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 07:07 AM
Apr 2014

Johnny Rico, the hero -- Heinlein does not have protagonists, he has heroes -- is the sort of cardboard character who gives cardboard characters a bad name. Any novel that has verbatim lectures from courses in "History and Moral Philosophy" makes me think that the author has other motives than just telling a story. He glorifies war, and his philosophical ramblings are libertarian idiocy at its worst.

I first came across Starship Troopers when I took an undergraduate course in SF from the English department. The professor knew I had been in the army in Vietnam, and asked me my opinion of the book on that basis. I said that Heinlein clearly knew the military well, but had no experience of combat, since no one who had been in combat could have written that book. I looked him up, and I was right: Heinlein was a graduate of the US Naval Academy at Annapolis in the late 1920s, but had been invalided out of the navy for tuberculosis in the 1930s. He spent WWII in an engineering job at the Philadelphia Navy Yard (where two of his co-workers were Isaac Asimov and A E van Vogt).

George Bernard Shaw said that H G Wells was "a born story-teller who sold his birthright for a pot of message". The same can be said for Heinlein, the difference being that Wells was a Fabian socialist, and Heinlein was a libertarian.

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Thanks for the list packman Apr 2014 #1
Interesting list, but I have not been able to SheilaT Apr 2014 #2
I'd go with "Childhood's End" over 2001 sweetloukillbot Nov 2014 #11
Starship Troopers number 3? Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2014 #3
I have a love/hate thing going with Heinlein sweetloukillbot Nov 2014 #12
Something that has been making me crazy about Heinlein for at least forty years SheilaT Nov 2014 #13
They are doing Childhood's End next year. sweetloukillbot Nov 2014 #14
Childhood's End is by Arthur C. Clarke. SheilaT Nov 2014 #16
Yeah, I just meant they are actually tackling classic SF on TV nt sweetloukillbot Nov 2014 #18
Yeah, he only venerates YOUNG women sweetloukillbot Nov 2014 #15
In Time Enough For Love Fortinbras Armstrong Nov 2014 #17
Not a bad list getting old in mke Apr 2014 #4
Here's what is missing in no particular order: FSogol Apr 2014 #5
The fact that I don't happen to think SheilaT Apr 2014 #6
The whole point of lists like that are to spur discission of what should and shouldn't be there. FSogol Apr 2014 #8
Your list getting old in mke Apr 2014 #7
Yes to Jack Vance Cartoonist Oct 2014 #9
Excellent point, about needing to stand the test of time. SheilaT Oct 2014 #10
Times takes away PATRICK Feb 2015 #19
It is truly impossible to predict the future. SheilaT Feb 2015 #20
I've seen Vance missing on a number of lists like these (The Dying Earth would be a good addition) Chathamization May 2015 #21
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