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MineralMan

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18. I'm sure I've told this story before in this group:
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 01:34 PM
Mar 2019

I had a good friend who was a Methodist minister. He and I often talked about religion, so he knew something about my knowledge of his denomination. Well, he was suddenly called away one week for a family emergency and called me. He asked if I would substitute for him that Sunday, two days later. He wasn't able to find a replacement. He told me the theme of the service, based on his liturgical calendar, and the order of the service, including the hymns, etc.

I said that I would be happy to fill in, and showed up early that Sunday. I was unknown to his congregation. I had asked him to arrange for someone else to lead the prayers during the service. So, I spend an hour in the pulpit following the liturgy and schedule he provided. I offered a concise homily on the subject of the reading, which was from 1 Corinthians. One of the elders or deacons or whatever offered the prayers for the service, and was very pleased to have that role.

After the service, I stood in the narthex of the church as the congregation departed, and received some compliments on my sermon. Nobody knew that an atheist had just led their Worship. why would they? My sermon began with "Paul wrote:"

Anyone can lead a church service who understands the liturgy and has some creative capabilities. I assume that an atheist could also act as a shepherd for the flock in other ways. It wouldn't be much of a stretch, but I didn't have to fill that role.

So, yes, there are atheists in the pulpit of far more churches than know that is the case, I'm certain. Nobody's the wiser, either.

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Seems to depend on sect, translation and safeinOhio Mar 2019 #1
It's really just an indicator of how narrow the mind is Major Nikon Mar 2019 #3
It varies, but some literalism is certainly necessary for belief. MineralMan Mar 2019 #2
Most dictionary definitions of christian is just one who follows the teachings of Christ Major Nikon Mar 2019 #4
Well, I always accept someone's own status if they say they are a Christian. MineralMan Mar 2019 #6
That's the safest approach Major Nikon Mar 2019 #7
Out of curiosity, of course, I often ask for details of what one believes. MineralMan Mar 2019 #9
An overly broad question. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #12
No, it is not. It is just a question. MineralMan Mar 2019 #15
I have in fact answered some specific questions about specific verses or stories. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #17
Whatever, Monsieur B. Whatever. MineralMan Mar 2019 #19
It is an answer. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #23
Near as I can tell, he believes in an original quantum fluctuation marylandblue Mar 2019 #26
Only for the Non-Metaphorical parts of the text. (NT) NeoGreen Mar 2019 #5
No handmade34 Mar 2019 #8
Well, that's true. I have met working Christian ministers who admit they are atheists. MineralMan Mar 2019 #10
Many, if not most churches require some sort of seminary education for their ministers Major Nikon Mar 2019 #11
I'm sure I've told this story before in this group: MineralMan Mar 2019 #18
My dad was a Unitarian minister Major Nikon Mar 2019 #20
Well, I was just filling in for my friend. MineralMan Mar 2019 #22
I've heard this before Lordquinton Mar 2019 #24
Good question. It's a job, I guess. MineralMan Mar 2019 #25
Kinda takes the mystique out of the whole thing Lordquinton Mar 2019 #28
It probably depends on the individual. MineralMan Mar 2019 #32
The Clergy Project... NeoGreen Mar 2019 #31
That's a very interesting website - particularly the individual stories. MineralMan Mar 2019 #33
My pleasure... NeoGreen Mar 2019 #35
Yeah, kind of funny the person who insists no one can define someone else's religion or beliefs... trotsky Mar 2019 #13
He's not the only one Major Nikon Mar 2019 #21
"a theist" or "atheist"-what a difference a space makes n/t delisen Mar 2019 #14
"real Christian" edhopper Mar 2019 #16
In classical Christian hermeneutics Loki Liesmith Mar 2019 #27
If you are going there, 'literalism' Voltaire2 Mar 2019 #30
Not even people studying theology are biblical literalists. DetlefK Mar 2019 #29
I think it depends on what kind of theologian they are Major Nikon Mar 2019 #34
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