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Igel

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1. As I understand it,
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 07:41 PM
Mar 2019

the only reason that any secrets are revealed in the confessional is that the sinner wants his soul to get to heaven because of what he did as he seeks forgiveness and absolution.

Make it so the police are the third party in the confessional and you've removed much of the reason that the police don't act as confessors.

It's the same with counselors. If you go to a psychiatrist and say, "Doctor, I want to get better" and confess to a crime, you're turned in. Why would a sane person go to a psychiatrist?

It's different with secular priests called "lawyers," to whom those who committed crimes go and say, "Hey, I did nothing wrong." It's possible to confess and make a lawyer into a mandatory reporter, but most lawyers will make that confession go away and seek absolution in the denial of wrong doing. Then the lawyer will do everything possible to get somebody declared not guilty, even if the lawyer has a decent suspicion that the client really is did the crime. Suspicion isn't proof.

Society has layers. There's the official, government layer, with law enforcement to enforce the secular, official moral code. Then there's a set of civil society layers, to enforce a similar, but distinct, code. Then there's layers based on kin groups, enforcing yet a different, presumably non-conflicting, code. American society, given it's atomism, seems to be trending towards there just being an official code.

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As I understand it... [View all] uriel1972 Mar 2019 OP
As I understand it, Igel Mar 2019 #1
So you're fine with child rapists going to heaven... uriel1972 Mar 2019 #2
Lawyers are in no sense of the word "secular priests." marylandblue Mar 2019 #13
Another defender of religious privilege over the prevention of child rape. trotsky Mar 2019 #19
The most superficial aspect to confession is what is said. gtar100 Mar 2019 #3
A priest isn't a counselor or lawyer Major Nikon Mar 2019 #4
They are in the same position regardless of fitness for duty. gtar100 Mar 2019 #7
Not even close Major Nikon Mar 2019 #9
In position and role they are very similar, in skill and expertise...that's another point entirely. gtar100 Mar 2019 #14
If the confessional requires... uriel1972 Mar 2019 #18
I don't disagree with that. gtar100 Mar 2019 #23
I don't agree they are similar in either skill or expertise Major Nikon Mar 2019 #22
That is an overriding argument. gtar100 Mar 2019 #24
Avoiding the issue... uriel1972 Mar 2019 #5
Missed my point. You are exactly right. gtar100 Mar 2019 #6
What exactly are we asking for? marylandblue Mar 2019 #10
Those that refuse to take sides... uriel1972 Mar 2019 #12
I don't take the side of those who abused me nor do I sit idle gtar100 Mar 2019 #15
It was this quote... uriel1972 Mar 2019 #16
How many abused children... uriel1972 Mar 2019 #17
"The confessional has to be confidential or it cannot work" trotsky Mar 2019 #20
If the priest is in the same position as any other counselor, then they shouldn't get an exemption marylandblue Mar 2019 #8
That's the premise of most flavors of Christianity. Mariana Mar 2019 #11
"It's really horrifying if you think about it." trotsky Mar 2019 #21
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