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gtar100

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3. The most superficial aspect to confession is what is said.
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 09:16 PM
Mar 2019

You can say whatever you want, the priest can say whatever they want, but if the words aren't in tune with the heart, mind and spirit, then it's just a lie. Do you think that's going to get past St. Peter, let alone Jesus or God?

The priest is in the same position as any other person acting as a counselor. If there's a possibility of a breach of confidentiality, the integrity of the whole system is compromised. Which leads to very difficult situations such as you describe - what if someone confesses to murder or rape or child abuse? The priest, to my mind, is in a role to assist one to "get right with God", not just shove souls through the tiny keyhole of the door to eternal life. Confession may be a first step and that confidentiality may be the *only* reason some decide to take that step.

Just saying you believe something doesn't make it so. The goal isn't just to get one into heaven by hook or by crook, by saying the right words at the right time with the right inflection. If that were the case, we've already arrived. The sinner needs to make right sincerely inside and out, up and down, from stem to stern, or entry to heaven isn't happening. Not by the rules of some authority figure with a checklist of do's and don'ts but by the very nature of what one is seeking.

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As I understand it... [View all] uriel1972 Mar 2019 OP
As I understand it, Igel Mar 2019 #1
So you're fine with child rapists going to heaven... uriel1972 Mar 2019 #2
Lawyers are in no sense of the word "secular priests." marylandblue Mar 2019 #13
Another defender of religious privilege over the prevention of child rape. trotsky Mar 2019 #19
The most superficial aspect to confession is what is said. gtar100 Mar 2019 #3
A priest isn't a counselor or lawyer Major Nikon Mar 2019 #4
They are in the same position regardless of fitness for duty. gtar100 Mar 2019 #7
Not even close Major Nikon Mar 2019 #9
In position and role they are very similar, in skill and expertise...that's another point entirely. gtar100 Mar 2019 #14
If the confessional requires... uriel1972 Mar 2019 #18
I don't disagree with that. gtar100 Mar 2019 #23
I don't agree they are similar in either skill or expertise Major Nikon Mar 2019 #22
That is an overriding argument. gtar100 Mar 2019 #24
Avoiding the issue... uriel1972 Mar 2019 #5
Missed my point. You are exactly right. gtar100 Mar 2019 #6
What exactly are we asking for? marylandblue Mar 2019 #10
Those that refuse to take sides... uriel1972 Mar 2019 #12
I don't take the side of those who abused me nor do I sit idle gtar100 Mar 2019 #15
It was this quote... uriel1972 Mar 2019 #16
How many abused children... uriel1972 Mar 2019 #17
"The confessional has to be confidential or it cannot work" trotsky Mar 2019 #20
If the priest is in the same position as any other counselor, then they shouldn't get an exemption marylandblue Mar 2019 #8
That's the premise of most flavors of Christianity. Mariana Mar 2019 #11
"It's really horrifying if you think about it." trotsky Mar 2019 #21
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