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marylandblue

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10. What exactly are we asking for?
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 10:58 PM
Mar 2019
"What exactly are you asking for? Rules that state if a priest hears a confession about certain actions that they must report it to authorities? Will there be a list of offenses available prior to entering the booth? I don't think what you apparently want to happen will actually happen. The guilty just wouldn't go."


Yes, that is exactly what we are asking for, and it's exactly what we have. The list of reportable offenses is in the law. Anyone can look it for themselves. Mandatory reporters are explicitly told what the reportable offenses are and what the standard of suspicion is.

The guilty sometimes do confess, sometimes on purpose and sometimes by slips.

Also (and this important), CHILDREN confess. Yes, it's true. A known fact. And it's important. I belabor this because it keeps getting ignored. Abusers often tell children that the crime is their fault. Children being children, they believe the abuser and feel guilty. So they confess to a therapist, a teacher or a priest. The fact that children confess "their" sin to priests, totally negates the argument that the guilty won't go. Because even if the abuser never confesses (which isn't true), the innocent child sometimes does. Did I mention that we actually do catch some abusers this way?

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As I understand it... [View all] uriel1972 Mar 2019 OP
As I understand it, Igel Mar 2019 #1
So you're fine with child rapists going to heaven... uriel1972 Mar 2019 #2
Lawyers are in no sense of the word "secular priests." marylandblue Mar 2019 #13
Another defender of religious privilege over the prevention of child rape. trotsky Mar 2019 #19
The most superficial aspect to confession is what is said. gtar100 Mar 2019 #3
A priest isn't a counselor or lawyer Major Nikon Mar 2019 #4
They are in the same position regardless of fitness for duty. gtar100 Mar 2019 #7
Not even close Major Nikon Mar 2019 #9
In position and role they are very similar, in skill and expertise...that's another point entirely. gtar100 Mar 2019 #14
If the confessional requires... uriel1972 Mar 2019 #18
I don't disagree with that. gtar100 Mar 2019 #23
I don't agree they are similar in either skill or expertise Major Nikon Mar 2019 #22
That is an overriding argument. gtar100 Mar 2019 #24
Avoiding the issue... uriel1972 Mar 2019 #5
Missed my point. You are exactly right. gtar100 Mar 2019 #6
What exactly are we asking for? marylandblue Mar 2019 #10
Those that refuse to take sides... uriel1972 Mar 2019 #12
I don't take the side of those who abused me nor do I sit idle gtar100 Mar 2019 #15
It was this quote... uriel1972 Mar 2019 #16
How many abused children... uriel1972 Mar 2019 #17
"The confessional has to be confidential or it cannot work" trotsky Mar 2019 #20
If the priest is in the same position as any other counselor, then they shouldn't get an exemption marylandblue Mar 2019 #8
That's the premise of most flavors of Christianity. Mariana Mar 2019 #11
"It's really horrifying if you think about it." trotsky Mar 2019 #21
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