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MineralMan

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Wed Apr 17, 2019, 01:59 PM Apr 2019

China is probably not a comfortable place to live [View all]

if you're a devout Christian or Muslim with political ideas. That certainly seems to be the case. The Chinese government doesn't particularly like folks who disagree with its policies or philosophy. So, if your religious beliefs mean that you object to what is essentially an atheist regime, you're probably not going to especially like the reaction.

However, that is China and how China apparently is. That doesn't make it an example for anything else that is not an identical situation. Wherever you are, if your philosophy and religion go against the government or the cultural norms of a place, you're probably going to be uncomfortable, at best, and perhaps treated poorly or even prosecuted, at worst.

Here in the United States, we have a government that is currently not pleased with Muslims who seek election to public office and win. Our President will say nasty things about you and his followers will post death threats against you on Facebook. If you have brown skin and grew up speaking Spanish, you'll run into the same issues here in the United States. People will think you aren't really an American and will treat you badly, because the head of our government seems to have a negative view of such people.

Every society has it's favorite groups and groups it doesn't like at all. I'm an atheist, and that's another group that takes a lot of crap from people who think their religious beliefs entitle them to some sort of extra privilege. It can be uncomfortable or even dangerous to be part of any of those "out" groups. People are often prejudiced and angry at people who don't look, sound, or think like they do. That's a typical situation, wherever you are.

It's too bad, whenever it occurs. That's not how things should be, most enlightened people think. But, there it is.

I don't live in China. I know nobody who lives in China. There are enough problems with intolerance and bigotry right where I do live. I try to help people who are set upon by other Americans, for whatever reason. I'm usually not very successful, though, since bigotry and intolerance are difficult to change. But, at least, I can try in the place where I live, to show support for those who are beset by prejudices and bigotry. I can express my disapproval of such negative behavior, and stand between people who are in dispute sometimes.

I can do nothing about China. Zero. So, I focus on intolerance and prejudice I encounter right here at home. Except for my lack of any religious beliefs, I'm a member of the approved population in this country, being white, male, heterosexual, and pretty well educated. So, I get to speak up and speak out against such ugly behavior here. I do that when I can and when I think it might be productive.

I can't do that in China, even though I recognize that there are people there who are beset by bigots or people with prejudices. I'm just a poor schlub living in Minnesota. So, I do what I can here and leave China to people who are in China. I'm sorry that everyone there isn't treated properly, but I see similar things all around me right nearby. I'm afraid I have to focus on that. I'd rather make my attempts to seek justice locally, rather than keep my attention on China.

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You have to remember... Act_of_Reparation Apr 2019 #1
That's interesting...and troubling, too. MineralMan Apr 2019 #2
That's why they accuse us of hypocrisy. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2019 #5
Sure. We see that all the time. MineralMan Apr 2019 #6
Well and... trotsky Apr 2019 #7
It does help when they say it so explicitly. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2019 #8
An interesting attempt at mind reading. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #10
To decry sexual abuse of children by Christian priests and pastors. MineralMan Apr 2019 #11
Rather telling why someone would think an epidemic of child rape needs a "counterpoint" Major Nikon Apr 2019 #29
It's the old, "But Bobby hit me first" ploy. MineralMan Apr 2019 #33
Then the old Soviet Union weaponized it, and it became whataboutism. trotsky Apr 2019 #34
Just one more in a long list of fallacies Major Nikon Apr 2019 #35
See #7 Act_of_Reparation Apr 2019 #31
You've admitted previously that we may impute intent based on patterns marylandblue Apr 2019 #45
So, when atheists here post about predator priests, what is their motivation? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #49
I impute that they want to discuss child abuse in a large, influential religious institution. marylandblue Apr 2019 #68
James Bradley wrote The China Mirage, about US delusions of a Christian China soryang Apr 2019 #3
Thank you for your insights. MineralMan Apr 2019 #4
So all of your posts about theists around the world should be ignored? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #9
Oh? What meme is that? trotsky Apr 2019 #12
It looks as if the RCC's epidemic of child rape has been reduced to a "meme" Major Nikon Apr 2019 #30
Not at all. My privilege gives me a voice I can use MineralMan Apr 2019 #13
You ignored my point. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #16
I ignore nothing. You made no point. MineralMan Apr 2019 #18
Hard to ignore hurt children when it happens in your local church marylandblue Apr 2019 #46
It is very hard to ignore repression and abuse in one's own country. MineralMan Apr 2019 #48
But easier when it happens to others? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #50
You're clearly not reading my posts for understanding. MineralMan Apr 2019 #52
Easy to ignore suffering from a position of privilege, is it not? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #53
.. MineralMan Apr 2019 #55
Always the best response. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #59
Read my entire post for meaning. MineralMan Apr 2019 #61
Reverting to established behavior. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #63
Yes, you are. MineralMan Apr 2019 #66
Possibly atheists in China ... Bretton Garcia Apr 2019 #14
I truly cannot speak about Chinese atheists. MineralMan Apr 2019 #15
Are you equating Islam with terrorism? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #17
No. The Chinese are. MineralMan Apr 2019 #19
Thank you, group spokesperson. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #20
I started this thread. I will address posts in it MineralMan Apr 2019 #22
Rep. Ilhan Omar usefully clarified this issue Bretton Garcia Apr 2019 #25
Onyl a very few of any demographic engages in terrorism. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #26
Making excuses for repression is a slippery slope. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #21
Are sexually abusive priests and pastors repressive? MineralMan Apr 2019 #23
What is the point of your original post? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #24
No, the same argument cannot be made about priestly predation in other countries marylandblue Apr 2019 #36
No, the argument fails. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #37
You are being disingenuous, unless you are calling for a boycott of Chinese products. marylandblue Apr 2019 #38
Is China different? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #39
It is in fact almost immune. We've never had any significant influence marylandblue Apr 2019 #40
Money is power. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #41
You are being disingenuous again. If you cared about children as much as you cared about straw dogs marylandblue Apr 2019 #42
Much judgment in evidence. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #43
I freely admit you have no proof I am judgemental marylandblue Apr 2019 #44
China is different than the Roman Catholic Church, yes. trotsky Apr 2019 #47
So the systematic repression of theists by the Chinese Government is NOT topical? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #51
What meme? State it, please. MineralMan Apr 2019 #54
Your comments about China, and your many suggestions that Chinese repression of theists guillaumeb Apr 2019 #58
Your whataboutism isn't exposing a thing other than your own dishonesty. trotsky Apr 2019 #62
A typical attempt at framing, using much straw. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #64
A non-response. I understand. trotsky Apr 2019 #65
My point was something you clearly missed. MineralMan Apr 2019 #71
There is an alternative explanation. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #72
There is an alternative explanation of faith, too. MineralMan Apr 2019 #73
Making excuses for religion is a slippery slope. Bretton Garcia Apr 2019 #27
Agreed. eom guillaumeb Apr 2019 #28
Good, then stop doing it. n/t trotsky Apr 2019 #32
Let me ask you this AlexSFCA Apr 2019 #56
There is a long way to go before Muslims have any real political power MineralMan Apr 2019 #60
Perhaps history is the best guide to what the West did to China still_one Apr 2019 #57
Ah...yes...the opium trade. MineralMan Apr 2019 #67
I know you are ethical MM, I just though a little historical background my add some perspective still_one Apr 2019 #69
I understand. I do know the history, or at least the outlines of it. MineralMan Apr 2019 #70
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