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Lordquinton

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52. This right here is textbook whataboutism

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 01:12 PM

Apr 2019

we throw that term around a lot, but in this circumstance it's an out of the blue "Well, your group does this too" is the exact, original context it was coined for. First sentence on Wikipedia "Whataboutism (also known as whataboutery) is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument"

They could put your exchange as a perfect example.

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#MeToo, 'Mary Magdalene' focus on women's stories in Bible as Easter nears [View all] guillaumeb Apr 2019 OP

And yet Jesus couldn't be bothered to have a female disciple. trotsky Apr 2019 #1

1/3rd of the way into a 6 minute read: guillaumeb Apr 2019 #2

And yet Jesus couldn't be bothered to have a female disciple. trotsky Apr 2019 #3

And you know this how? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #4

Let me guess, the disciples in the gospels are only metaphorically men Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #5

No such disciple is described in the Gospels. MineralMan Apr 2019 #6

And were the Gospels redacted to support the needs of patriarchy? eom guillaumeb Apr 2019 #8

Do you have any evidence? trotsky Apr 2019 #9

I don't know. They were certainly redacted, however. MineralMan Apr 2019 #10

Are you suggesting the men who wrote the Gospels weren't already a part of patriarchy? Act_of_Reparation Apr 2019 #15

Nope, he's showing us his groundwork for a 100% idealized and fictional Christianity. trotsky Apr 2019 #26

Jesus had dozens to hundreds of female disciples Loki Liesmith Apr 2019 #53

According to the Dead Sea scrolls, Mary Magdalene was an apostle MaryMagdaline Apr 2019 #28

Not to mention the position of the RCC for a millennium was Magdalene was a prostitute Major Nikon Apr 2019 #31

Really. They knew how to destroy her influence MaryMagdaline Apr 2019 #33

Can you blame them? Major Nikon Apr 2019 #35

#letspretenditaintamisogynisticreligion Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #7

From the Enlightenment to the Dark Ages: guillaumeb Apr 2019 #11

Yes misogynist atheists exist. Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #12

Yes, just not one that isn't a silly fallacy Major Nikon Apr 2019 #32

And, once again, your attempt to divert through whataboutism is clear. MineralMan Apr 2019 #13

I thought your thread was about women in the gospel. trotsky Apr 2019 #14

Yes, the "hatred" meme. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #16

You've admitted it yourself. trotsky Apr 2019 #18

Again, the hatred meme. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #20

I believe the term is guillaumebism. trotsky Apr 2019 #21

More judgment. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #29

You want to know what's interesting about that? Act_of_Reparation Apr 2019 #17

But all of them are still there, guillaumeb Apr 2019 #19

Sure. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2019 #22

So what? I don't follow them. Nobody here follows them. MineralMan Apr 2019 #23

Should we excommunicate them from atheism? Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #24

Say, do you know how to contact the Pope of Atheism? MineralMan Apr 2019 #25

I'm right here. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2019 #67

I plead poverty, your Wholiness. MineralMan Apr 2019 #69

All I have is what's in my pockets... Act_of_Reparation Apr 2019 #70

Ha! You cannot be the Pope of Atheism, then, in truth. MineralMan Apr 2019 #71

trotsky's check bounced. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2019 #73

Perhaps you're neglecting your prayers to the lord of nothingness. MineralMan Apr 2019 #74

Goodyear has purchased the rest of my checks. trotsky Apr 2019 #75

LOL! MineralMan Apr 2019 #76

Now, just out of curiosity, how often do you throw money in the collection plate? Lordquinton Apr 2019 #51

They were just following the misogynistic atheist doctrine Major Nikon Apr 2019 #34

It's almost like he thinks atheists exist in a vacuum. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2019 #66

He just wants to create a false equivalence Major Nikon Apr 2019 #79

This right here is textbook whataboutism Lordquinton Apr 2019 #52

It's not fallacious because it's factually correct. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2019 #68

I wish you were joking Lordquinton Apr 2019 #80

Metaphorical Jesus disagrees Major Nikon Apr 2019 #36

Mary Magdalene was extremely courageous MaryMagdaline Apr 2019 #27

And she was a role model for all of us, but women in particular. eom guillaumeb Apr 2019 #30

Agree! MaryMagdaline Apr 2019 #37

To your earlier point, guillaumeb Apr 2019 #38

Where are the accounts that indicate this? MineralMan Apr 2019 #40

She was at the grave MaryMagdaline Apr 2019 #42

There is not even a single contemporaneous account of Jesus, MineralMan Apr 2019 #45

And who knows if these contemporaneous accounts were used by the writers guillaumeb Apr 2019 #54

So where are those precious documents? MineralMan Apr 2019 #57

The ones for which there is no evidence they don't exist? Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #58

The standard of evidence is breathtaking, no? Major Nikon Apr 2019 #63

What were her formal doctrines? Were there many? Bretton Garcia Apr 2019 #39

Gospel of Mary MaryMagdaline Apr 2019 #46

I must have missed many details about her, somehow. MineralMan Apr 2019 #41

Gospel of Mary Magdalene from Dead Sea scrolls MaryMagdaline Apr 2019 #43

When it comes to Christianity, I read the Bible as it was made official MineralMan Apr 2019 #44

I like all the gospels but my favorite is Matthew MaryMagdaline Apr 2019 #47

Modern Christianity is based on a scriptural Canon created by MineralMan Apr 2019 #48

Wrong. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #56

Ok let us all google Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #59

Insolence! Act_of_Reparation Apr 2019 #78

The Canon is Roman, Guy. MineralMan Apr 2019 #62

I reread your post. You're right. MaryMagdaline Apr 2019 #49

If you ignore the Dead Sea Scrolls, guillaumeb Apr 2019 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #60

Virtually all Old Testament texts. MineralMan Apr 2019 #61

Gospel of Mary is a 2nd century text. Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #64

Correct. I confused gospel of Mary with Dead Sea scrolls MaryMagdaline Apr 2019 #65

I look forward to your exciting mansplanation of this assertion. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2019 #72

You'll just have to trust guillaumeb. trotsky Apr 2019 #77

Oh! Oh! Let me! edhopper Apr 2019 #50

For a few, silliness passes for dialogue. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #81