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struggle4progress

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42. The histories are histories written by and preserved by the ruling class. Rome would not care

Sat Dec 26, 2020, 12:15 AM

Dec 2020

about small atrocities in a troublesome backwater province, as long as the client-ruler paid the tribute

And almost no records remain from Judaea in that time: the Romans tired of the trouble and destroyed Jerusalem in 70 CE, razing the Temple and (according to Josephus) selling about 100K of the inhabitants of Judaea into slavery

The extent of the damage might be gauged from the fact that Saul/Paul is the only Pharisee whose writings we still possess

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Does anyone here think the Nativity is not a myth? [View all] edhopper Dec 2020 OP

This got alerted, Edhopper. nt. Mariana Dec 2020 #1

did I offend somebody's freedom of religion? edhopper Dec 2020 #16

No, and had I been on the jury SCantiGOP Dec 2020 #26

When can I attack the beliefs of my fellow DUers edhopper Dec 2020 #27

Why don't you just not attack? SCantiGOP Dec 2020 #28

This is not a forum FOR Religion edhopper Dec 2020 #32

I believe the Bible was written by flawed men who had many stories 42bambi Dec 2020 #2

Don't know the story, sorry. Mosby Dec 2020 #3

What part of the world do you live in? edhopper Dec 2020 #17

I'm Jewish, everything I know about xtians came from a college class I took Mosby Dec 2020 #20

I grew up Jewish edhopper Dec 2020 #23

It's a myth vlyons Dec 2020 #4

I didn't know about the second Bethlehem exboyfil Dec 2020 #8

Bethlehem of Galilee is just a few miles NW of Nasareth vlyons Dec 2020 #31

I just read on twitter (yeah I know) Mosby Dec 2020 #21

The reasons for the myth are more practical Major Nikon Dec 2020 #46

No exboyfil Dec 2020 #5

Is it likely inaccurate? Sure qazplm135 Dec 2020 #6

I believe something happened. jimfields33 Dec 2020 #7

No, they don't have pieces of the crib in Italy edhopper Dec 2020 #12

Religious relics have been a lucrative business procon Dec 2020 #18

"They have pieces of the crib in Italy." Mariana Dec 2020 #25

I'm just going to say that the way things are going I'd not be surprised to see a lot of babies hlthe2b Dec 2020 #9

It makes more sense if it happened in 5 BCE TrogL Dec 2020 #10

More like a remembered astrological event edhopper Dec 2020 #13

But Religious Scholars point out the Magi didn't visit until 2 to 5 years later JustFiveMoreMinutes Dec 2020 #36

Trolling on a Christmas Eve! My favorite video o'the season! marble falls Dec 2020 #11

Hey I am just edhopper Dec 2020 #15

Just start with the taxes and the mysticism falls apart. procon Dec 2020 #14

I still want to know where the gold went. Ferrets are Cool Dec 2020 #19

Of course not-- not any more than creation in 6 days, the Flood, or water into wine... TreasonousBastard Dec 2020 #22

no - it's all astro-theology Locrian Dec 2020 #24

Religion loses its power and poetry when we read it as a literal history elias7 Dec 2020 #29

Too bad edhopper Dec 2020 #33

Other issues aside, your assumptions about the Roman census may be inaccurate. struggle4progress Dec 2020 #30

Which still makes edhopper Dec 2020 #34

It is more interesting to start with what we know and see where it might lead us struggle4progress Dec 2020 #43

Sounds more like you edhopper Dec 2020 #44

I've never been a believer Ron Obvious Dec 2020 #35

consistent? edhopper Dec 2020 #37

So it would have been more consistent if it was all made up, I meant. Ron Obvious Dec 2020 #38

By one person maybe. edhopper Dec 2020 #41

Again, other issues aside, your view of a Roman massacre story may not be defensible struggle4progress Dec 2020 #39

There is a huge difference between edhopper Dec 2020 #40

The histories are histories written by and preserved by the ruling class. Rome would not care struggle4progress Dec 2020 #42

Many of which were later creations edhopper Dec 2020 #45