2016 Postmortem

Garrett78

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158. No Dem candidate has won the white vote since LBJ.

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 06:30 PM

Nov 2016

But the Dem candidate has won the popular vote in 6 of the last 7 presidential elections.

And the median income of Trump supporters was significantly higher than that of Clinton supporters.

It's less an economic issue and more a social/cultural issue. Does anyone think the average Trump supporter had a nuanced position on trade, or any other issue for that matter? Trump certainly didn't. If trade was such a big issue, then Ted Strickland would have beaten Rob Portman in Ohio instead of getting his ass kicked.

If the Democratic Party can engage even a portion of the disengaged (the 40+% who don't vote in presidential elections and the 60+% who don't vote in mid-term elections), Dems won't need to kowtow to bigots.

That said, the Democratic Party should take a page from Bernie's book and make the case more strongly that progressive politics are key to growing jobs and increasing wages. And that Wall Street has far, far too much influence on elected officials. Dems can do that while at the same time combating racism, sexism, heterosexism and xenophobia.

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If Bernie thinks the only way to win is to win white working class voters at the expense of [View all] boston bean Nov 2016 OP

Link? SHRED Nov 2016 #1

Did Bernie actually say that? mtnsnake Nov 2016 #2

The way he talks about idenitity polictics. That is pretty well stated over and over again here in boston bean Nov 2016 #3

So he didn't actually say it like how you have it, then, I take it. mtnsnake Nov 2016 #9

Then you will need to understand how insulting his words are to women and minorities. boston bean Nov 2016 #13

Which words are those? NobodyHere Nov 2016 #213

Except I read the full transcript, and Bernie was IN FACT saying the OPPOSITE of that. nt Turn CO Blue Nov 2016 #10

No he was not. I also read the entire transcript. boston bean Nov 2016 #17

He "basically" said.. LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #73

No, I'm a person who can read and comprehend. boston bean Nov 2016 #75

I agree. There's no mistaking Sanders's and Gabbard's actions this week. lapucelle Nov 2016 #104

I feel the words "go beyond" are being misinterpreted imo. Turn CO Blue Nov 2016 #88

He scapegoats women and minorities when voting for hillary boston bean Nov 2016 #91

1 . This is classic Bernie hatred. They'll twist anything he says Arazi Nov 2016 #174

Here is the video Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #76

Please post Bernie's exact words that prove he said what the OP said about him mtnsnake Nov 2016 #132

Agreed mcar Nov 2016 #4

Real deal Lotusflower70 Nov 2016 #5

Sanders believes that women and minorities are voting against their own interest which he thinks boston bean Nov 2016 #7

Yeah. They planned on no outreach, were absolutely uninformed rookies about it stepping in shit... bettyellen Nov 2016 #14

Different take Lotusflower70 Nov 2016 #21

I vote for my own interests. What makes you think some vote for sex organs? boston bean Nov 2016 #23

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Alrighty then Lotusflower70 Nov 2016 #49

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2016 #52

Giving an opinion on your character as militant is racist? retrowire Nov 2016 #130

Good question Lotusflower70 Nov 2016 #160

Oh, you qualified your garbage with "some"? And campaigned for Obama? kcr Nov 2016 #100

They couldn't vote for Clinton but they voted for Trump? Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #145

I hear you Lotusflower70 Nov 2016 #161

From March. Discussing Trump and Sanders style of Identity Politics. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #6

Bill Clinton is excoriated by doing exactly what it is Bernie and his supporters want the Democratic boston bean Nov 2016 #8

We are proud. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #16

she did not do that until Bernie's influence affected the democratic platform. JCanete Nov 2016 #56

You really don't know what kinds of things DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #67

Her greatest achievement was trying to roll out JCanete Nov 2016 #82

Let's talk about actions rather than words. spooky3 Nov 2016 #116

yes, but things have to come up for a vote in order to be voted on. As progressive JCanete Nov 2016 #122

Not in a Republican Senate, they don't. spooky3 Nov 2016 #154

Bernie...if I never heard that name again, it would be so delightful. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #146

You keep posting on threads to do with Bernie, so I don't believe you. JCanete Nov 2016 #149

A large chunk of the party didn't want Sanders...he lost the primary.It was not rigged. He lost . Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #181

Wow, a post that isn't two sentences! There is a lot there, most of which JCanete Nov 2016 #189

I can not keep tearing myself up over this election. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #190

okay, not going to deal with that whole thing. I promise to read it over and take it in, JCanete Nov 2016 #191

THIS! The last Democrat to aim for rural whites was WJC, and the Batshit Left hates him. BobbyDrake Nov 2016 #197

Are you saying that the white working class virgogal Nov 2016 #11

Who are these rural voters? They vote Dem, huh?? right!? boston bean Nov 2016 #19

Thanks Lotusflower70 Nov 2016 #22

"White working class" means WHITE DUDES duffyduff Nov 2016 #87

are you talking rural or urban white working class? WhiteTara Nov 2016 #105

"at the expense of pro choice, progressive women" you say yodermon Nov 2016 #12

Umm, you tell me how these white rural voters support women and lgbt and minorities. boston bean Nov 2016 #20

If you look at the political map OnionPatch Nov 2016 #123

When i look at a map of rural america in all these small states i see a sea of red. boston bean Nov 2016 #126

But those maps only show majorities. OnionPatch Nov 2016 #172

The majority and hefty majority are republicans... and believe as I have stated. boston bean Nov 2016 #187

I just don't get trying to make Bernie the villain now 50 Shades Of Blue Nov 2016 #15

I think he did real damange to her with his she is corrupt, establishment... boston bean Nov 2016 #18

Yes, his constant attacks on Hillary's emails did it! Dustlawyer Nov 2016 #58

His constant attack on her integrity as a human being. boston bean Nov 2016 #60

plus 1000! DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #72

I have news for you. DONALD TRUMP is the president now. 50 Shades Of Blue Nov 2016 #109

"after the bare minimum he did" Fixed that for you. BobbyDrake Nov 2016 #198

Get over it. 50 Shades Of Blue Nov 2016 #212

Hillary had to earn peoples votes. Bernie couldn't force people to do anything Arazi Nov 2016 #177

Sanders hurt Clinton in the general election Gothmog Nov 2016 #113

Me either Lotusflower70 Nov 2016 #24

He absolutely DID NOT campaign his ass off. I don't know why people keep saying that. LisaM Nov 2016 #29

This is the truth. boston bean Nov 2016 #62

Thank you. LisaM Nov 2016 #77

I was at the convention and your analysis is correct Gothmog Nov 2016 #115

Thanks I didn't know he has new book to hawk . Makes sense why he is all over the place lunasun Nov 2016 #134

Of course it is. LisaM Nov 2016 #136

This! mcar Nov 2016 #137

She was essentially running against two people the whole time, Trump, and the ghost of Bernie. LisaM Nov 2016 #139

And the media and FBI mcar Nov 2016 #140

Yep...... LisaM Nov 2016 #142

She would have, LisaM mcar Nov 2016 #143

Here's an article that will break your heart. LisaM Nov 2016 #144

Took him 2 months to concede to HRC, but only 24 hours to capitulate to Trump. BobbyDrake Nov 2016 #199

Nope shawn703 Nov 2016 #25

I agree with your analysis Gothmog Nov 2016 #26

How is "abortion is up to the woman" worse than "compromise on abortion rights"? ieoeja Nov 2016 #27

Not true. LisaM Nov 2016 #33

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Right, only winning by two million votes and growing. LisaM Nov 2016 #36

Triangulating on women's issues is part of the Third Way. ieoeja Nov 2016 #64

Hillary did not support limiting abortion boston bean Nov 2016 #74

I know. LisaM Nov 2016 #78

"She was in favor of an amendment on late term abortions if the life of the mother was taken into " ieoeja Nov 2016 #167

Malarkey. read what i wrote in its entirety.. boston bean Nov 2016 #168

Which does not change the fact that she supported a Constitutional Amendment limiting women's rights ieoeja Nov 2016 #176

NOT BUYING IT and I am going to repeat my question: JHan Nov 2016 #84

It was not the party dividing itself. It was your false division. ieoeja Nov 2016 #166

Not quite.. JHan Nov 2016 #169

thank you DonCoquixote Nov 2016 #141

Your side could not even win a primary, maybe it is time for you to accept not everyone agrees Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #80

State government dominated by Republicans. Feds have everything. ieoeja Nov 2016 #90

Talk to me when your side can win a primary. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #92

Talk to me when your side can win a general election. ieoeja Nov 2016 #99

We won in 2008 and won the popular vote this year. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #186

2008 called! n/t ieoeja Nov 2016 #164

And Hillary conceded and campaigned her heart out for Pres. Obama. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #185

We lost the house and Senate when Reagan was elected. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #182

Third Way? mcar Nov 2016 #138

Denial. nt ieoeja Nov 2016 #165

It is not "talking point". And you know it. nt ieoeja Nov 2016 #173

remind me when.. JHan Nov 2016 #68

I never once heard Bernie argue for women's issues. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #147

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He never said anything like that and you know that. You are being completely dishonest... phleshdef Nov 2016 #28

I am not being dishonest. boston bean Nov 2016 #31

Saying that Bernie wants to sacrifice women's rights is an absolute lie, 100%. phleshdef Nov 2016 #35

it is not a lie. He cares more about white working class voters who don't give a shit about our boston bean Nov 2016 #43

Horse shit. You know it and so does everyone else. phleshdef Nov 2016 #47

Nope, I don't think it's horseshit. boston bean Nov 2016 #51

I posted a video...it is clear what he meant... Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #81

Identity politics are okay. HassleCat Nov 2016 #30

I am thoroughly sick BlueMTexpat Nov 2016 #32

Sander's main point, that people are not hearing or are intentionally ignoring JCanete Nov 2016 #70

This is correct Cosmocat Nov 2016 #106

Do you think that minorities and women aren't concerned with income inequality? Why is that? kcr Nov 2016 #108

No, I don't think that. Why would you read what I said and think that? Its fucking absurd. JCanete Nov 2016 #111

Hey. I only read your words. kcr Nov 2016 #114

sure, please point it out. Maybe I missed all of that in anything i've ever heard him say. JCanete Nov 2016 #119

I didn't hear things he didn't say! He said it! Literally. kcr Nov 2016 #125

What? NO NO NO NO NO. I will say, that is somehow, the only way you JCanete Nov 2016 #128

This isn't about CEOs and what they do, and what shareholders want out of them. kcr Nov 2016 #129

Come on. His version of qualifications has nothing to do with capabilities and everything to do JCanete Nov 2016 #152

Please unrec this... or OP should take it down. AmBlue Nov 2016 #37

What is untrue? Bernie thinks we lost this election because too much attention was paid to women boston bean Nov 2016 #40

Bernie reached out to everyone. AmBlue Nov 2016 #54

you are lying. Cobalt Violet Nov 2016 #38

I am not lying. boston bean Nov 2016 #41

Are working class voter issues and pro-choice, progressive and minority issues mutually exclusive? MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #42

They voted for Trump. They voted for Bush. They care for a lot more than JOBS. boston bean Nov 2016 #45

what are you talking about? You are making up a straw man here. When did he JCanete Nov 2016 #44

He jettisones each time he accuses Hilary's success against him because she was a woman. boston bean Nov 2016 #46

when does he say we need to care about white working class before anything else? Point it the fuck JCanete Nov 2016 #52

He says it all the time. I suggest you go and read. boston bean Nov 2016 #61

you don't have an example, so you're going to retreat with that? nt JCanete Nov 2016 #71

Why can't the party walk and chew gum at the same time? davidn3600 Nov 2016 #48

They voted for Trump. You think they would have voted for the jewish guy? boston bean Nov 2016 #50

Exactly LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #57

It is a history of his words. What he feels is most important. boston bean Nov 2016 #66

but that is just not true LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #85

They way Bernie talks about this and has talked the same way for decades boston bean Nov 2016 #86

Go Bernie Go!! (And no...he is all in favor of women's rights and POC rights) nt Lucky Luciano Nov 2016 #55

I disagree. He treated Hillary horribly during the primary. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #97

I agree a million percent. LisaM Nov 2016 #127

You said it so much better than I ever could...yes this is exactly what he did. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #183

She demolished O'Malley. Bernie did very well and raised very salient points. Lucky Luciano Nov 2016 #188

postmortem so wth, if Sanders was the VP choice, Hillary would have won easily. Sunlei Nov 2016 #59

If people on our side keep spinning things like this we will go back to herding cats. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #63

I'm not spinning anything. I am speaking what is the truth. boston bean Nov 2016 #65

No you're not.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #153

It must be, "It's Bernie's Fault " day. Who will it be tomorrow? jalan48 Nov 2016 #69

Bernie's fault day. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #83

Yeah, he's the problem. That's it. Bad Bernie and the Bernie Bros as well. jalan48 Nov 2016 #94

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I seem to recall there was a lot of optimism. Gore1FL Nov 2016 #121

No one is entitled to any office in a democracy without an opponent. cpwm17 Nov 2016 #192

Bernie, lily white rural voters, lily white blue collar voters, progressives, SMC22307 Nov 2016 #216

I've come to the conclusion this is about power within our Party. jalan48 Nov 2016 #217

I've said this before and I'll say it again DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #79

This is the type of post that gives one pause. gordianot Nov 2016 #89

Well. If you feel this way. You must be appalled by the post saying boston bean Nov 2016 #93

No reason to burn it down that has already happened. gordianot Nov 2016 #110

Who? nt LexVegas Nov 2016 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author jack_krass Nov 2016 #98

Really? Sanders has been a champion of civil rights his while life. lastone Nov 2016 #101

He thinks MLK was only about economics. He talks about in these terms for decades. boston bean Nov 2016 #103

If venture to guess that one of the major issues every African American would like to see made equal lastone Nov 2016 #117

True and they voted overwhelmingly for Hillary because she understood the reasons why. boston bean Nov 2016 #118

So you disagree and agree with me? lastone Nov 2016 #120

I know why we got our ass handed to us. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #148

You can keep trying yourself that lastone Nov 2016 #156

Exactly so you all should consider how a divisive bitter party caused us to lose. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #184

Nonsense Ace Rothstein Nov 2016 #162

Bernie has never said we should abandon anything we now support Ken Burch Nov 2016 #102

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No thanks, not playing the zero-sum game. lagomorph777 Nov 2016 #112

Bernie Never Said Any Such Thing! cer7711 Nov 2016 #124

Great bait Boston bean retrowire Nov 2016 #131

Are we STILL fighting the primary? bonemachine Nov 2016 #133

Bernie made a statement that at the very least caused enormous controversy...why would Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #150

Enormous controversy? bonemachine Nov 2016 #193

It is not a tempest in a teapot when it continues to divide our party. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #194

Still dodging? bonemachine Nov 2016 #195

Where are you getting any of that from? KPN Nov 2016 #135

Good grief bean. panader0 Nov 2016 #151

Bernie doesn't think this is a zero sum game. nt LostOne4Ever Nov 2016 #155

Did you see election night? This strategy failed. LittleBlue Nov 2016 #157

No Dem candidate has won the white vote since LBJ. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #158

White working class people can be pro-choice, etc. WhoWoodaKnew Nov 2016 #159

He didn't say that and he doesn't think that. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #163

It figures liquid diamond Nov 2016 #170

This is a vicious, dishonest smear. DemocraticWing Nov 2016 #171

If we do that we lose 49 states instead of this bravenak Nov 2016 #178

Absent a link to Sanders actually saying this, can one assume that this is simply guillaumeb Nov 2016 #179

We know you hate and despise Bernie, but why do this? aikoaiko Nov 2016 #180

Pathetic hueymahl Nov 2016 #196

if we can just get our people to vote okieinpain Nov 2016 #200

He doesn't think so. HassleCat Nov 2016 #201

"at the expense of" Uponthegears Nov 2016 #202

Do you think Bernie thinks that way to win is at the expense of women and minorities? David__77 Nov 2016 #203

Here are Sanders' words. David__77 Nov 2016 #204

Troll alert!! Larkspur Nov 2016 #205

Bernie doesn't think that and you know it. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #206

Many of the places voting for Trump voted for Obama twice. alarimer Nov 2016 #207

3rd way identity politics is what's killing the party jfern Nov 2016 #208

I am tired of this infighting. I look forward to Hillary people and Bernie people uniting behind StevieM Nov 2016 #209

Either/Or does not bode well for the party. jalan48 Nov 2016 #210

Ya know, Bernie thinks we can walk and chew gum at the same time. sfwriter Nov 2016 #211

You're just making stuff up. SpareribSP Nov 2016 #214

He doesn't think that. Only you do. (n/t) SMC22307 Nov 2016 #215