2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: If Bernie thinks the only way to win is to win white working class voters at the expense of [View all]Demsrule86
(71,036 posts)Yes, I do believe the primary cost us the election but both are now over...so water over the bridge. My last comment on the primary...Bernie should have gotten out early in the spring when it was clear he would not win...He should not have attacked Clinton and the Democratic Party. He should have conceded...that is a very sore spot with me...and his campaign should never have arranged for protests at the convention...outside and inside. Now he has chosen not to join the Democratic party...it is his right to do so. However, he has no right to have a say in what the Democratic Party does and if it was up to me, he would not be in leadership. That is all I have to say about this....let him turn his attention to the real villains in all of this...the Republicans. And do keep in mind that Clinton won 2.5 million more votes than Trump...it was a close election. Now you see I say we do what is right...and we do not twist our party into knots to chase white male voters...we lost them many years ago and most won't be back...what we can do is talk jobs and really do something about trade and jobs. We need to really consider what trade means to much of the country and how it can be made fair for the working class of all colors. Now, I listened to Bernie's Boston speech and he said we should end identity politics...I do not agree with Bernie on all the issues which tend to be Democratic Socialist in nature. I don't believe such values will appeal to a majority of voters...free tuition would as Bernie describes it would be universal so you would have rich kids who can afford tutors going to great schools while poor kids often of color would be paying for them...he wanted a payroll tax which is baffling. This is a regressive tax which the rich don't pay for mostly. As forHealthcare... we will be lucky to keep what we have...so attacking Obamacare and insisting on single payer is a non-starter with me...I think a public option and we move toward single payer. Keep in mind, even workplace insurance gets shittier and shittier...so Obamacare is better in many cases now. It needs to be fixed. Now we do not throw folks under the bus, but stand up for civil rights...and by definition, if our concern is economics alone and attracting white men...others will be thrown under the bus. I saw one post maligning Transgender here already...as costing us the election. Well, what if Johnson had said the political price for civil rights was too big to pay...and abandoned the effort? We need to continue being the party that seeks civil rights for all. The reality is this,never mind about expanding entitilements...we will be damned lucky to keep Medicare and Social Security.