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When is a recount a sham?
Election Watch November 25, 2016
Recounts provide a peaceful dispute mechanism to help ensure that elections will be free and fair and equal to all. But the mere act of having a recount is not what helps elections be free and fair. The recount must be accountable to the public and fully transparent.
There is a great deal at stake in any recount. Observers should not make assumptions that every recount is honest, or that every statement made by public officials is true. The purpose of observation is authentication, and this responsibility should be taken seriously.
SYMPTOMS OF A SHAM RECOUNT
1) Is observation meaningful? That is, can public observers see and document the marks on each ballot?
Example: A contentious Pima County, Arizona election in 2006 resulted in litigation, culminating later in an offer to recount the ballots. However, the count was set up such that observers were unable to observe the marks on the ballot, and could only observe the process (people walking about in a room, moving boxes, handling papers).
All recounts should be conducted in public meeting which means with public notice as to time and place, and permitting any person to conduct meaningful observation, which must include the ability to actually see that the marks on the ballot correspond to the verbal count. .............
Election Watch November 25, 2016
Recounts provide a peaceful dispute mechanism to help ensure that elections will be free and fair and equal to all. But the mere act of having a recount is not what helps elections be free and fair. The recount must be accountable to the public and fully transparent.
There is a great deal at stake in any recount. Observers should not make assumptions that every recount is honest, or that every statement made by public officials is true. The purpose of observation is authentication, and this responsibility should be taken seriously.
SYMPTOMS OF A SHAM RECOUNT
1) Is observation meaningful? That is, can public observers see and document the marks on each ballot?
Example: A contentious Pima County, Arizona election in 2006 resulted in litigation, culminating later in an offer to recount the ballots. However, the count was set up such that observers were unable to observe the marks on the ballot, and could only observe the process (people walking about in a room, moving boxes, handling papers).
All recounts should be conducted in public meeting which means with public notice as to time and place, and permitting any person to conduct meaningful observation, which must include the ability to actually see that the marks on the ballot correspond to the verbal count. .............
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esp when these electronic machines are old, outdated and use very old software
womanofthehills
Nov 2016
#28
who said you need 50 people? 1 from each party and maybe an independent person would work. nt
TheFrenchRazor
Nov 2016
#16
We've already gone from voting was hacked to recount is a sham. What conspiracy will be next.
Hoyt
Nov 2016
#6
The article is like a 1000 more just like it discussing what COULD happen. Fact is we lost.
Hoyt
Nov 2016
#15
I don't either and Jill Stein cannot be trusted. She's a fucking tool. Does she think it's the
seaglass
Nov 2016
#13
I just hope Stein isn't trying to divert attention from the Russian voter manipulation issue
mtnsnake
Nov 2016
#10
This article is a set of cautionary tales, indicating that recounts can be gamed.
bigmonkey
Nov 2016
#14
that is true; the recounts should involve eyeballs on paper, not just re-running the same bogus
TheFrenchRazor
Nov 2016
#25
When stupid fucks yammer on about how it will make not difference in the outcome before it even
lonestarnot
Nov 2016
#31