2016 Postmortem

frazzled

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21. So, yell the truth louder

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 05:29 PM

Nov 2016

That makes sense. Ahem.

Look, more people bought the Democratic non-propagandistic truth than did not in this election. And our side yelled out loud and clear against the lies, bigotry, and ignorance of the Trump campaign. Or were we all not listening to those fiery speeches Obama and many others made?

Let's stop self-flagellating and start criticizing the other side, instead of trying to emulate them. I find it at once sad and loathsome that so many fall for the crazy: like that Hillary Clinton and John Podesta were running a child molestation ring out of a pizza shop in D.C. It went all around the world, and many millions of people believe it. There is no way in hell to beat that kind of crazy--unless you go apeshit crazy yourself. Sorry, but you can't beat liars at their own game.

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Possibly the most important thing: Dems need to get better at the propaganda wars. [View all] DanTex Nov 2016 OP

Democrats need to find a handful of issues and pound on it! hrmjustin Nov 2016 #1

We are 10 years behind on this... FarPoint Nov 2016 #2

Yes. It's the media. hadEnuf Nov 2016 #30

Best Comment of All McKim Nov 2016 #32

I agree-- and welcome to DU! Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #42

That's what make America so vulnerable to a third-rate annabanana Nov 2016 #3

It's not just America. It's a general human problem. DanTex Nov 2016 #5

This is the absolute truth! It is the Propaganda Campaign that has had control over us since The Wielding Truth Nov 2016 #4

Republicans own the media (tv and radio) SHRED Nov 2016 #6

Definition of propaganda frazzled Nov 2016 #7

That's pretty much what I'm saying, yes. DanTex Nov 2016 #12

YES, that definition, minus the "biased and misleading nature" part. yodermon Nov 2016 #18

So, yell the truth louder frazzled Nov 2016 #21

Yeah,"... gone down in flames." Rather like the Democratic Party did. Ligyron Nov 2016 #34

Please note that the definition says "especially," not "exclusively," Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2016 #37

And we do a very good job of the positive type of purposeful persuasion frazzled Nov 2016 #43

Not sure why you're talking of "gnashing teeth with fiery bromides and exaggerated promises" Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2016 #53

They've ignored Professor Lakoff's advice for years. elleng Nov 2016 #8

Yup. And I'm starting to think that Obama's political genius in a way had the unfortunate DanTex Nov 2016 #13

Yes, something like that. elleng Nov 2016 #17

Facts and figures... JSup Nov 2016 #9

Absolutely, although that isn't a popular opinion on here. Most think "being right" is enough... MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #10

Yes, politics is about perception not reality. radius777 Nov 2016 #11

Bill also had a real talent for simplifying difficult concepts Nevernose Nov 2016 #49

Yes. Being reasonable, knowledgeable and competent treestar Nov 2016 #14

I agree, we need to get better at "the game"... Raster Nov 2016 #15

Thought provoking RonniePudding Nov 2016 #16

I have a very high opinion of Obama as well. And I agree about the white patriarchy. DanTex Nov 2016 #19

The thing is, Obama actually got quite a bit done RonniePudding Nov 2016 #24

Yes, he did. His first two years were amazing. And even after, in the face of DanTex Nov 2016 #25

You say that once, and pundits will say "oh, no, that's out of line." yodermon Nov 2016 #20

Well, the biggest thing we need is a media platform. kydo Nov 2016 #22

100% correct. nt Maven Nov 2016 #23

I agree. Rational arguments do not win elections. They don't sell products. KittyWampus Nov 2016 #26

Yup. Rationality plays an alarmingly tiny role in human behavior. DanTex Nov 2016 #29

Add microtargeting to this. sfwriter Nov 2016 #27

Republican propaganda is all lies and smears Cary Nov 2016 #28

We need to jam their signal spirald Nov 2016 #31

We have to stand on principles instead of triangulation compromises bucolic_frolic Nov 2016 #33

Won't work. DEMS CANNOT BE TOLD. Reps can. ffr Nov 2016 #35

I agree we need drastic improvemnt in framing, focused messaging and MEMES. Not propaganda. n/t Turn CO Blue Nov 2016 #36

For it to work you have to have leaders and spokespeople that the Exilednight Nov 2016 #38

Actually the David Brock Correct The Record propaganda turned many off jfern Nov 2016 #39

Actual voters don't care about David Brock. DanTex Nov 2016 #40

Enjoy losing then jfern Nov 2016 #41

There were no drunken hooligams throwing chairs Nevernose Nov 2016 #50

No one knows about David Brock, but his work on Anita Hill still resonates LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #48

Establishment isn't about how long you've been in DC. Hillary was obviously more establishment. jfern Nov 2016 #51

I just think most people are self-centered. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #44

I guess yelling louder does work frazzled Nov 2016 #45

Some things we're probably not willing to do... JSup Nov 2016 #46

Yep. Some will call 'em Trump Chumps, some will call them "alt right" some say neo-fascist LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #47

Absolutely this. alarimer Nov 2016 #52