There's no good reason to anathematize Bernie and his supporters.

[Kentonio]

210. Why would you assume that I loathe Clinton?

Also why would you assume that I won't like your answer before you've even given it? I might well disagree with the premise of it, but I certainly want to hear all perspectives.

I don't loathe Clinton incidentally, I just think that in the time since she was first lady she has become a part of an entrenched political elite that has lost touch with the needs of working voters. That isn't by any means exclusive to her, the entire New Left movement across the western world went exactly the same way. People who have spent decades (if not their entire lives) focusing on the internal machinations of government, and on 'policy discussion' while forgetting that real people are being affected by the decisions and policies being made.

I'm a keen historian, and you can look back over the decades and draw a very clear picture of how poltical attitudes have moved. We're currently at the point where the economic needs of working people have reached crisis point, and we're experiencing the bounce back effect that occurs every time that happens. You can only push people so far financially before they rebel, it's a story that has played out thousands of times over human history.

So the question becomes do we do something about that, or do we just continue to reject reality and continue to fight imaginary battles where the only reason we lost was because all white men are racists and misogynists, and it was all a fix, and Bernie made us lose etc etc etc?