There's no good reason to anathematize Bernie and his supporters.

[Grey Lemercier]

211. the meme of "Bernie as spoiler" is really already cemented in with millions upon millions

I would say it is the majority view on this board. Bernie and Stein as utter spoilers and wreckers.

I am NOT a Bernie fan, and I despise Stein, but personally I consider both minor reasons why Trump won. I much more blme the millions of Democrats who voted Trump, the tens of millions who stayed home, and the braindead, hubris-laden way in which the Clinton campaign was run the last months (trying to go for 400 plus EV's and thus utterly failing to shore up the purple states).

I also think that Hillary, when sharing the stage with Pres. Obama and even with Michelle Obama, was "outshown", she looked like a lesser "star" or force. Go back and look at ALL the "OMG, I am going to miss the Obamas" threads on here every time Hillary did a joint appearance. They overwhelmed the Hillary ones for hours.

The coup d' grace was the horrific Jay-Z appearance on election eve, where he went on an f-bomb and N-word laden rant and performance with an audience of millions. I have had 3 friends of mine here in London whose USA parents were extremely put off by that. Not saying it changed their votes, but ffs, we are running for the POTUS, NOT the bloody MTV Video Awards.

Trump was basically ALONE, it was his cray cray azz against the world, and that made him look STRONG, even if he is a fucking fascist racist with legions of nazis enforcing his nationalist agenda. He got almost 30% of the latino vote. There is a latin cultural idea called "el caudillo" aka the strongman. Many lap that shit up. Millions did for Trump.

I am sure that viewpoint is very unpopular here as well.