2016 Postmortem

Kentonio

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81. It fills me with so much fury reading the responses to this op.

Reply to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:33 PM

Nov 2016

How have supposedly politically literate people managed to forget the most basic principle of politics? YOU EARN YOUR VOTES! If you're not wooing the demographics you need to win, if you're not convincing people that your party offers the best hope for them and their families future, if you're not trying with everything you've got to make people believe in you and believe that you stand for them, then you may as well just pack up and go home.

So sick of reading these endless posts about how this loss was the voters fault, and how we should write off entire swathes of the population because they're not ideologically pure enough for us. Have people misunderstood the meaning of the word party? This isn't some exclusive get together where we only invite the nicest people, this is a coalition of beliefs that work to try and improve the lives of hundreds of millions of people!

For christs sake, knock it off with this elitist, snobbish bullshit.

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Rural Democrats: Party Ignored Us, Suffered the Consequences [View all] mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2016 OP

Here's an outreach strategy for them.... Aviation Pro Nov 2016 #1

Holy crapoli. Are you campaigning for Cynic of the Month? Buzz Clik Nov 2016 #3

Rural voters are more likely to listen to whoever actually takes the time to come talk to them NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #17

lol Cosmocat Nov 2016 #21

1 gollygee Nov 2016 #22

Yes, he listened to them. That doesn't mean he cared or intends to do for them.. NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #53

HE didn't "show up" Cosmocat Nov 2016 #133

Once again... NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #136

Pence, Don Jr. and Eric all campaigned in my rural area. n/t OhioBlue Nov 2016 #124

And Hillary supporters campaigned in my rural area Cosmocat Nov 2016 #131

Are you in one of the rust belt states? NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #137

Yeah, Trump went to them with the campaign of Make America White Again. Hoyt Nov 2016 #54

This shit is getting beyond old NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #55

I feel your frustration! OnionPatch Nov 2016 #69

I dare them to switch out "rural" for the word black, Mexican, muslim or gay NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #71

Yep. Exactly. OnionPatch Nov 2016 #78

I'm glad I'm not the only one able to see the hypocrisy NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #79

I've been a Democrat my whole life. OnionPatch Nov 2016 #88

I'm just beyond frustrated with the elitist attitude NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #95

Believe what you want to believe. Trump didn't start leading in his primary until he called for Hoyt Nov 2016 #70

How is stereotyping rural Americans different from stereotyping any other group? NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #74

You expressed your exasperation earlier. Here's mine -- in the past 8 years, I've probably had 100 Hoyt Nov 2016 #86

It's the mention of skin color at all, that starts those arguments. Sunlei Nov 2016 #94

You were NOT calling out certain behavior by a few people NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #97

Are you an "ignorant white wing racist." If not, I am not talking about you. Should be obvious. Hoyt Nov 2016 #106

You replied to my comment, which was.... NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #113

My post stated what I believe Trump did going to "rural" areas. I still believe I'm right Hoyt Nov 2016 #116

What you said operates on the unfair and false assumption that white voters in the rust belt NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #117

Do you honestly believe his strategy was other than to appeal to ignorant white wing racists? Hoyt Nov 2016 #118

Once again...this is NOT about Trump's strategy because this thread is about VOTERS NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #121

Lumped in HassleCat Nov 2016 #93

I hear you, I know EXACTLY where your coming from.. virginia mountainman Nov 2016 #125

1 jack_krass Nov 2016 #126

So it's no factor then? RonniePudding Nov 2016 #138

He connected with them, I agree. Sunlei Nov 2016 #59

Not sure it was really so much about any connection as it was that because he showed up NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #77

No candidate had to show up in rural areas to win. They connected or not by what was said. Sunlei Nov 2016 #83

It's actually been way longer than 8 years of lies about Hillary NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #123

They already had their minds made up. Trump just reinforced their bigotry. duffyduff Nov 2016 #115

YEP Cosmocat Nov 2016 #20

So nothing is the Clinton campaign's fault? Goblinmonger Nov 2016 #36

Take a number. The line of groups complaining about being ignored is growing. Buzz Clik Nov 2016 #2

Or maybe the DNC can change what it's doing Goblinmonger Nov 2016 #37

If you don't like what's happening at the DNC, take over. It's not impossible. Buzz Clik Nov 2016 #52

Equally if the DNC can't be bothered to woo voters anymore, the party will also be a spectator. Kentonio Nov 2016 #72

The system dictates who gets attention and who does not. Buzz Clik Nov 2016 #85

Completely depends on a number of factors. Kentonio Nov 2016 #87

Or maybe we're just flinging shit in random fashion trying to assign blame where it doesn't belong. Buzz Clik Nov 2016 #89

Aww it sucks when DU isn't just an echo chamber for you anymore, doesn't it. Kentonio Nov 2016 #90

Your simplistic choice is one of the most "bless your little heart" things I've read this week LanternWaste Nov 2016 #134

Wow. So much petulance in so few words! Buzz Clik Nov 2016 #135

Take that, you Democrats. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #4

Nothing like that was posted in the OP. Why are you projecting such nasty rhetoric on someone KittyWampus Nov 2016 #12

The title of the piece? yallerdawg Nov 2016 #18

The OP is talking about rural Democrats Goblinmonger Nov 2016 #39

More like rural Democrats ignored Clinton. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #47

But Bill Clinton knew that she needed to target working class whites more Goblinmonger Nov 2016 #50

In the three states which cost us the election... yallerdawg Nov 2016 #57

I thought Bernie was supposed to deliver the millenials. Goblinmonger Nov 2016 #60

He did and he helped Hillary change a lot but there wasn't enough time or change from 'status quo D. Sunlei Nov 2016 #91

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #5

Sort of like, love it or leave it. How about you move out of the city and repopulate the rural areas KittyWampus Nov 2016 #10

Never gonna happen SoCalNative Nov 2016 #11

And societies change. Your attitude and comment is disgusting. Trash Democrats living in rural areas KittyWampus Nov 2016 #14

It is a flat out lie to say Obama and the Democrats have ignored rural America for eight years. LonePirate Nov 2016 #30

Are you suggesting they got the resources they needed from the DNC and Clinton Campaign? KittyWampus Nov 2016 #31

Oh, never mind. It's already been removed. NT mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2016 #13

You'll be the ones suffering the greatest. Sad and pathetic. onecaliberal Nov 2016 #6

Where does it say the writer voted for Trump? You are blaming Democrats who need support KittyWampus Nov 2016 #16

DU seems to be in full fuck poor, white rural voters mode. Ace Rothstein Nov 2016 #19

It doesn't say that the writer voted for Trump, as you know. potone Nov 2016 #24

Ding Ding Ding - we have a winner hueymahl Nov 2016 #42

Not to mention urban folks who are told... Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #73

Yes, you are right. potone Nov 2016 #107

What the heck is the end game? Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #109

there is no shortage of poor bashing here. Cobalt Violet Nov 2016 #66

I am blaming people who think voting for trump is going to help them in any way shape form onecaliberal Nov 2016 #108

Really nice hissy-fit, rural Democrats. Paladin Nov 2016 #7

Where does it say these rural Democrats voted Trump? The commentary in this thread is DISGUSTING KittyWampus Nov 2016 #15

All it takes liquid diamond Nov 2016 #100

If you want to get pissy, aim your angst at rural independents Amishman Nov 2016 #101

It's your fault we voted for a psychopath. TwilightZone Nov 2016 #8

I think these are the voices that need to be heard and the Democrats who need to step up. KittyWampus Nov 2016 #9

Agreed. NT hueymahl Nov 2016 #43

Yup. Kentonio Nov 2016 #76

I don't live in a rural area. Despite that, I'm not going to make the mistake of... Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #23

Farm subsidies and gun control TwilightZone Nov 2016 #27

Ugh. That's what I feared about farm subsidies. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #29

I can second TwilightZone's experience. Montana wheat farmers all wanted their Nay Nov 2016 #68

What rural Democrats? frazzled Nov 2016 #25

You expressed it better than I could have. TonyPDX Nov 2016 #26

Agreed. TwilightZone Nov 2016 #28

Wow. That's some elitist BS right there. Goblinmonger Nov 2016 #40

Agreed hueymahl Nov 2016 #45

Yeah, I expect better on DU Goblinmonger Nov 2016 #48

As Roosevelt himself said, "If those country bumpkins want electricity, they can move to the city." mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2016 #62

What's elitist about factual demographics? frazzled Nov 2016 #49

Disagree hollowdweller Nov 2016 #44

Yep. hueymahl Nov 2016 #46

Jesus, the Democrats you live turned GOPer because they felt "Democrats are for minorities only." Hoyt Nov 2016 #111

They are outnumbered but we need their votes geek tragedy Nov 2016 #56

My rural congressional district has voted D for 28 years. PotatoChip Nov 2016 #110

So they say now that they saw the electoral disaster coming... Orsino Nov 2016 #32

If they didn't vote, voted for Trump Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2016 #33

Yes, just keep doing the same thing Goblinmonger Nov 2016 #41

They went for Obama both elections, and then Sanders won. Then they went trump. Sunlei Nov 2016 #34

Obama lost the rural vote in both elections frazzled Nov 2016 #80

It was the 22 states and rustbelt areas I meant. I know the 2 million less than 300k a year "rural f Sunlei Nov 2016 #84

There is a phrase for that Egnever Nov 2016 #35

1,000 liquid diamond Nov 2016 #102

My sentiments exactly. Paladin Nov 2016 #104

1 uponit7771 Nov 2016 #127

They get ignored and the Democratic Party suffers the consequences? benld74 Nov 2016 #38

I am torn on this get the red out Nov 2016 #51

Agreed, and the article is putting forth a much different argument than... Garrett78 Nov 2016 #65

Does not apply to Nevada. Both candidates ignored rurals and HRC won. ffr Nov 2016 #58

I was speaking to a co-worker who said he voted for trump Ohioblue22 Nov 2016 #61

That article makes more sense than DU's popular "working class whites" narrative. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #63

I think you've summed up the whole marybourg Nov 2016 #92

Thanks. There's some conflation going on here, so... Garrett78 Nov 2016 #99

So they shoot themselves in the foot as revenge treestar Nov 2016 #64

Yeah I saw the big ass "Loggers for Trump" on the Olympic Pennensula. ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #67

Wha, wha wha. Fucking whiny rubes. stopbush Nov 2016 #75

Couldn't agree more. Dr. Mullion Blasto Nov 2016 #82

It fills me with so much fury reading the responses to this op. Kentonio Nov 2016 #81

plus 1,000 melman Nov 2016 #103

Thank You. (nt) PotatoChip Nov 2016 #112

Thank You! NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #122

and many are sick of the post that justify rural area cutting off their noses to spite their faces.. uponit7771 Nov 2016 #128

This. n/t ms liberty Nov 2016 #130

Well, in my rual area Dems are really Republicans. wisteria Nov 2016 #96

+1, which is why it's a fool's errand to chase these clods RonniePudding Nov 2016 #139

I will liquid diamond Nov 2016 #98

And Trump's appeal to rural America: GeorgeGist Nov 2016 #105

Oh, b.s. We never had the rural vote. duffyduff Nov 2016 #114

Chuck Schumer said that for every vote they lost in rural Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Wisconsin jfern Nov 2016 #119

former PA Dem chair was a rural guy DeminPennswoods Nov 2016 #120

Well worth reading. lovemydog Nov 2016 #129

Yeah, OK. joshcryer Nov 2016 #132