2016 Postmortem

bravenak

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71. I still say both. Even a racist can vote for a black man if they think it benfits them personally

Reply to Kentonio (Reply #70)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 02:42 PM

Nov 2016

Besides, I have met plenty of racists who tell me 'not you, those other blacks are the niggers'

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What is so impossible about fighting for blue collar jobs AND social justice? [View all] realmirage Nov 2016 OP

There was a time, sarisataka Nov 2016 #1

It was long ago. The Civil Rights Act meant we lost the white dudes forever. duffyduff Nov 2016 #2

Who are the sarisataka Nov 2016 #9

Uncomfortable truth you point out there hueymahl Dec 2016 #128

And yet somehow Obama won many of those votes in 2008 and 2012 mythology Nov 2016 #18

And the most racist republican out of the last three won the most white male vote percentage of all bravenak Nov 2016 #27

What does it tell us? They became racists in the last 8 years? Kentonio Nov 2016 #49

Tells us they prefer the racist, hateful, warmongering message at this point in time. Hoyt Nov 2016 #52

After voting for Obama? Really? Kentonio Nov 2016 #53

I'm not sure the same people who voted for Obama turned around a voted for Trump. Hoyt Nov 2016 #54

this is more accurate, the truth is the Obama coalition Exilednight Nov 2016 #55

A reading recommendation: Garrett78 Nov 2016 #57

Good article. The 538 quote had me spitting on the screen, but it's probably quite accurate. Hoyt Nov 2016 #60

They always were bravenak Nov 2016 #64

So they were racists when they voted for Obama over McCain? Kentonio Nov 2016 #66

Did they vote for Obama over mccain? bravenak Nov 2016 #67

We're talking about a swing of 10% in just 8 years. Kentonio Nov 2016 #68

They could be sexist. Probably are bravenak Nov 2016 #69

So if they're not racist they must be sexist? Ok then... Kentonio Nov 2016 #70

I still say both. Even a racist can vote for a black man if they think it benfits them personally bravenak Nov 2016 #71

Right, so based on that anecdote we should just assume they're all sexists and racists. Kentonio Nov 2016 #72

We know they are racist since they Voted to deport millions of muslims. bravenak Nov 2016 #74

Ok, so if we're writing off all Trump voters.. Kentonio Nov 2016 #80

Get the 3 million surplus votes in swing states this time by screaming about bravenak Nov 2016 #81

Nonsense...We've had three Democratic presidents since then.. whathehell Nov 2016 #29

In the 70s, I had an uneducated, bigoted, white neighbor who hated Nixon LeftInTX Nov 2016 #42

With the exception of temporarily losing the US Senate for six years in 1980 due to Carter's Midwestern Democrat Nov 2016 #48

GOP, CoC started Union busting in late 60's early 70's. With dae Nov 2016 #96

many of those Democrats were racists dsc Dec 2016 #124

Plenty of them voted for Obama. All this racist stuff when they didn't vote for a white Dem??? Yo_Mama Nov 2016 #90

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #4

Always Democrats' fault, right? duffyduff Nov 2016 #8

Its attitudes like this that dooms us. Kilgore Nov 2016 #51

It's not only sarisataka Nov 2016 #15

Thank you for this realmirage Nov 2016 #20

So what you're saying... GummyBearz Nov 2016 #56

100. n/ t. whathehell Nov 2016 #107

Because those fighting for blue collar treat us as if we are not blue collar and as such do not bravenak Nov 2016 #3

Exactly. Some are shedding tears over white males. It has nothing to do with duffyduff Nov 2016 #5

I have no idea why people even want them back bravenak Nov 2016 #7

Because we want Democrats to win elections NobodyHere Nov 2016 #10

Wont win by getting their votes because you lose more votes like mine by trying to pander to them bravenak Nov 2016 #16

1 n/t. okieinpain Nov 2016 #47

1! AgadorSparticus Nov 2016 #94

1, and the pandering here would be the DNC distancing themselves from people like me..... uponit7771 Nov 2016 #100

You would think melman Nov 2016 #24

No kidding. More white people voted for Hillary than all non-whites combined. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #39

We already do both. DanTex Nov 2016 #6

It isn't just "working class whites" who blame someone else NobodyHere Nov 2016 #11

Actually, yeah, for the most part it is. DanTex Nov 2016 #12

Thank you. whathehell Nov 2016 #31

Not nearly as tired as those of us who are tired of racism and bigotry. nt JTFrog Nov 2016 #58

No, I'd say we're twice as tired whathehell Nov 2016 #76

We are tired of white people calling black folks race baiters for discussing the racism of donald bravenak Nov 2016 #77

Let me guess....All Lives Matter, right? AgadorSparticus Nov 2016 #89

Wrong whathehell Nov 2016 #91

Right....of course.... AgadorSparticus Nov 2016 #97

Lol..Nice try whathehell Nov 2016 #106

Rust Belt and WWC voters want jobs which we cannot promise or guarantee them LonePirate Nov 2016 #13

Yes , literally.. JHan Nov 2016 #26

How do you know the jobs aren't coming back? realmirage Nov 2016 #38

The all powerful profit motive dictates that the jobs are not coming back. LonePirate Nov 2016 #44

if that's the dem platform, get ready to lose some more. nt TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #84

Short of massive new PWA/WPA which Repubs would never pass, what do you suggest? LonePirate Nov 2016 #86

Blue collar jobs are gone and are not coming back oberliner Nov 2016 #14

So what's the answer? whathehell Nov 2016 #32

Universal basic income oberliner Nov 2016 #41

Sounds good, but whathehell Nov 2016 #45

Pretending that steel and coal jobs will exist in unrealistic as well oberliner Nov 2016 #46

Education in what the democratic party stands for , beliefs , positions etc Kathy M Dec 2016 #121

Yep whathehell Dec 2016 #122

Why not put people to work for that universal basic income? lumberjack_jeff Nov 2016 #65

Automation is/will be eliminating jobs at an ever increasing rate oberliner Nov 2016 #82

whose side are you on??? nt TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #85

Reality?...I don't think there is a side to this. it is just how our world is spinning AgadorSparticus Nov 2016 #93

I think you're all blaming the wrong people here. The Con LIED TO THEM promising napi21 Nov 2016 #17

Because those blue collar manufacturing jobs aren't going to come back mythology Nov 2016 #19

Making that argument is hard, too, when whathehell Nov 2016 #33

Those people are going to get even more resentful. They will end up on the street. AgadorSparticus Nov 2016 #92

Intersectionality is hard Lizz612 Nov 2016 #21

If you don't know how you are going to pay the rent/mortgage or buy your next meal NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #23

That's not what I mean, and you know it. Lizz612 Nov 2016 #25

That would only make sense if you think they voted against their interests just to hurt others. Kentonio Nov 2016 #50

Yes Lizz612 Nov 2016 #88

A hell of a lot of rural people in this country IS in financial crisis and HAS BEEN for a long time NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #63

Exactly...Too many here seem to not understand that and/ or not care. whathehell Nov 2016 #34

Yes it is.. whathehell Nov 2016 #108

Economic Justice IS Social Justice NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #22

Support unions, then. And quit supporting 'free' trade. PatrickforO Nov 2016 #28

Yeah, well, support from a democratic president may have helped too. whathehell Nov 2016 #35

Yes. Excellent point. n/t whathehell Nov 2016 #36

Exactly. Democratic office holders seem to have very little interest in even talking Nay Nov 2016 #62

Quite. The answer to that one is an actual economic development strategy. PatrickforO Dec 2016 #117

Yes, but we are hamstrung by the autonomy of the states; it keeps us from Nay Dec 2016 #118

Indeed. PatrickforO Dec 2016 #119

Not. a Thing...We must do both. whathehell Nov 2016 #30

well one of the big issues with this is that the WHITE blue collar working class Fresh_Start Nov 2016 #37

Horseshit. Occupy was black and white. Moral Mondays was black and white. SMC22307 Nov 2016 #98

and you know damn well the poster wasn't talking about progressive voices on labor but the uponit7771 Nov 2016 #101

Democrats already do both, but for tens of millions of people... Garrett78 Nov 2016 #40

1 uponit7771 Nov 2016 #102

Do something about unfair trade...get some decent paying jobs back... Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #43

Come on people, we already know its not trade deals who off these jobs its automation at the top uponit7771 Nov 2016 #103

the jobs were not automated away...that is a bullshit talking point. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #109

Yes it is.. (link inside)... uponit7771 Nov 2016 #110

seriously? automation is an issue, but brick and mortar factories have*moved* offshore; you can't de TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #115

The biggest factor is automation not off shoring, off shoring does hurt ... no doubt but the uponit7771 Nov 2016 #116

It's not impossible at all. jalan48 Nov 2016 #59

That would take up valuable fundraising time. n/t Orsino Nov 2016 #61

It's called a dialectical worldview Sen. Walter Sobchak Nov 2016 #73

Economic justice is a prerequisite to social justice. The latter is irrelevant without the former. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2016 #75

The effects of the latter causes the former, mitigate the effects of the latter to get to the former uponit7771 Nov 2016 #104

a) identity politics is simply an attempt to be selective about economic justice. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2016 #114

There was also a time when labor opposed affirmative action. muntrv Nov 2016 #78

This! TimeChaser Nov 2016 #111

A bunch of septuagenarians arguing about this is not worth our time or effort. randome Nov 2016 #79

Which septugenarians are you talking about? lapucelle Nov 2016 #105

Yes, Millennials had a major role in this mess. randome Nov 2016 #112

Third party and no show voters chose to be spoilers rather than heros. lapucelle Nov 2016 #113

it's a false choice, for sure. nt TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #83

It's a false narrative. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #87

Automaton is coming and we can't stop the robots. AgadorSparticus Nov 2016 #95

Progressive economic policies make big corporate donors nervous. nt killbotfactory Nov 2016 #99

Nothing, witness Hillary's policy pages BainsBane Dec 2016 #120

Nothing. Dem2 Dec 2016 #123

Resources and will are finite... Begabig Dec 2016 #125

Dems HAVE been fighting for blue collar jobs!! Adrahil Dec 2016 #126

They are tired of the corporate corruption of our politicians. Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #127