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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: If Bernie thinks the only way to win is to win white working class voters at the expense of [View all]David__77
(23,892 posts)204. Here are Sanders' words.
Let me respond to the question in a way that you may not be happy with. It goes without saying that as we fight to end all forms of discrimination, as we fight to bring more and more women into the political process, Latinos, African Americans, Native Americans all of that is enormously important, and count me in as somebody who wants to see that happen.
But it's not good enough to say, Hey, I'm a Latina, vote for me. That is not good enough. I have to know whether that Latina is going to stand up with the working class of this country, and is going to take on big money interests.
One of the struggles that we're going to have right now, we lay on the table of the Democratic Party, is it's not good enough to me to say, Okay, well we've got X number of African Americans over here, we've got Y number of Latinos, we have Z number of women. We are a diverse party, a diverse nation. Not good enough. We need that diversity, that goes without saying. That is accepted. Right now, we've made some progress in getting women into politics I think we got 20 women in the Senate now. We need 50 women in the Senate. We need more African Americans.
But, but, here is my point, and this is where there is going to be division within the Democratic Party. It is not good enough for someone to say, I'm a woman! Vote for me! No, that's not good enough. What we need is a woman who has the guts to stand up to Wall Street, to the insurance companies, to the drug companies, to the fossil fuel industry. In other words, one of the struggles that youre going to be seeing in the Democratic Party is whether we go beyond identity politics. I think it's a step forward in America if you have an African-American head or CEO of some major corporation.
But you know what? If that guy is going to be shipping jobs out of this country and exploiting his workers, it doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot if he's black or white or Latino. And some people may not agree with me, but that is the fight we're going to have right now in the Democratic Party. The working class of this country is being decimated. That's why Donald Trump won. ...
We need candidates black and white and Latino and gay and male we need all of that. But we need all of those candidates and public officials to have the guts to stand up to the oligarchy. That is the fight of today.
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/21/13699956/sanders-clinton-democratic-party
I can understand upset with this particular comment: "It is not good enough for someone to say, 'I'm a woman! Vote for me!'" The issue with that is, I'm not aware of anyone saying this. I agree that it's "not enough," and also don't know Sanders' motivation for saying so. Saying so represents a counter-argument to an argument that might not even be present.
That said, I don't know of instances of Sanders advocating for policy that is detrimental to the rights of women or minority groups.
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If Bernie thinks the only way to win is to win white working class voters at the expense of [View all]
boston bean
Nov 2016
OP
The way he talks about idenitity polictics. That is pretty well stated over and over again here in
boston bean
Nov 2016
#3
Then you will need to understand how insulting his words are to women and minorities.
boston bean
Nov 2016
#13
Except I read the full transcript, and Bernie was IN FACT saying the OPPOSITE of that. nt
Turn CO Blue
Nov 2016
#10
Please post Bernie's exact words that prove he said what the OP said about him
mtnsnake
Nov 2016
#132
Sanders believes that women and minorities are voting against their own interest which he thinks
boston bean
Nov 2016
#7
Yeah. They planned on no outreach, were absolutely uninformed rookies about it stepping in shit...
bettyellen
Nov 2016
#14
I vote for my own interests. What makes you think some vote for sex organs?
boston bean
Nov 2016
#23
Bill Clinton is excoriated by doing exactly what it is Bernie and his supporters want the Democratic
boston bean
Nov 2016
#8
yes, but things have to come up for a vote in order to be voted on. As progressive
JCanete
Nov 2016
#122
A large chunk of the party didn't want Sanders...he lost the primary.It was not rigged. He lost .
Demsrule86
Nov 2016
#181
okay, not going to deal with that whole thing. I promise to read it over and take it in,
JCanete
Nov 2016
#191
THIS! The last Democrat to aim for rural whites was WJC, and the Batshit Left hates him.
BobbyDrake
Nov 2016
#197
Umm, you tell me how these white rural voters support women and lgbt and minorities.
boston bean
Nov 2016
#20
When i look at a map of rural america in all these small states i see a sea of red.
boston bean
Nov 2016
#126
The majority and hefty majority are republicans... and believe as I have stated.
boston bean
Nov 2016
#187
I think he did real damange to her with his she is corrupt, establishment...
boston bean
Nov 2016
#18
He absolutely DID NOT campaign his ass off. I don't know why people keep saying that.
LisaM
Nov 2016
#29
Thanks I didn't know he has new book to hawk . Makes sense why he is all over the place
lunasun
Nov 2016
#134
She was essentially running against two people the whole time, Trump, and the ghost of Bernie.
LisaM
Nov 2016
#139
Took him 2 months to concede to HRC, but only 24 hours to capitulate to Trump.
BobbyDrake
Nov 2016
#199
How is "abortion is up to the woman" worse than "compromise on abortion rights"?
ieoeja
Nov 2016
#27
"She was in favor of an amendment on late term abortions if the life of the mother was taken into "
ieoeja
Nov 2016
#167
Which does not change the fact that she supported a Constitutional Amendment limiting women's rights
ieoeja
Nov 2016
#176
Your side could not even win a primary, maybe it is time for you to accept not everyone agrees
Demsrule86
Nov 2016
#80
He never said anything like that and you know that. You are being completely dishonest...
phleshdef
Nov 2016
#28
Saying that Bernie wants to sacrifice women's rights is an absolute lie, 100%.
phleshdef
Nov 2016
#35
it is not a lie. He cares more about white working class voters who don't give a shit about our
boston bean
Nov 2016
#43
Do you think that minorities and women aren't concerned with income inequality? Why is that?
kcr
Nov 2016
#108
No, I don't think that. Why would you read what I said and think that? Its fucking absurd.
JCanete
Nov 2016
#111
sure, please point it out. Maybe I missed all of that in anything i've ever heard him say.
JCanete
Nov 2016
#119
Come on. His version of qualifications has nothing to do with capabilities and everything to do
JCanete
Nov 2016
#152
What is untrue? Bernie thinks we lost this election because too much attention was paid to women
boston bean
Nov 2016
#40
Are working class voter issues and pro-choice, progressive and minority issues mutually exclusive?
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#42
They voted for Trump. They voted for Bush. They care for a lot more than JOBS.
boston bean
Nov 2016
#45
He jettisones each time he accuses Hilary's success against him because she was a woman.
boston bean
Nov 2016
#46
when does he say we need to care about white working class before anything else? Point it the fuck
JCanete
Nov 2016
#52
Go Bernie Go!! (And no...he is all in favor of women's rights and POC rights) nt
Lucky Luciano
Nov 2016
#55
You said it so much better than I ever could...yes this is exactly what he did.
Demsrule86
Nov 2016
#183
She demolished O'Malley. Bernie did very well and raised very salient points.
Lucky Luciano
Nov 2016
#188
If people on our side keep spinning things like this we will go back to herding cats.
Spitfire of ATJ
Nov 2016
#63
Bernie, lily white rural voters, lily white blue collar voters, progressives,
SMC22307
Nov 2016
#216
He thinks MLK was only about economics. He talks about in these terms for decades.
boston bean
Nov 2016
#103
If venture to guess that one of the major issues every African American would like to see made equal
lastone
Nov 2016
#117
True and they voted overwhelmingly for Hillary because she understood the reasons why.
boston bean
Nov 2016
#118
Exactly so you all should consider how a divisive bitter party caused us to lose.
Demsrule86
Nov 2016
#184
Bernie made a statement that at the very least caused enormous controversy...why would
Demsrule86
Nov 2016
#150
Absent a link to Sanders actually saying this, can one assume that this is simply
guillaumeb
Nov 2016
#179
Do you think Bernie thinks that way to win is at the expense of women and minorities?
David__77
Nov 2016
#203