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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]think
(11,641 posts)98. Eichenwald blatantly omits the new exclusion rule which forbid candidates from being in non sanction
debates. He focuses only on the DNC SANCTIONED events and the very late candidate forums that occurred in 2016 when voting was already underway.
Here is the Democratic primary debate schedule from 2015-2016:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_debates_and_forums,_2016
Here is the Democratic primary debate schedule from 2007 - 2008:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_debates_and_forums,_2008
In the spring and summer of 2007 there were 13 debates held. In 2015 the first debate wasn't held until October 13th.
We had ZERO debates in the spring ans summer of 2015.
Martin OMalley raises legal questions with Democratic debate plan
By Alex Seitz-Wald - 08/11/15 10:05 AMUPDATED 08/11/15 05:01 PM
~Snip~
Shame on us as a party if the DNC tries to limit debate.
Sandler OMalleys lawyer who served as general counsel to the DNC from 1993 through 2008, first in-house and then through his law firm also says the party has never used an exclusivity clause in the past.
Although the DNC announced a schedule of sanctioned debates both in 2004 and 2008, it has never before attempted to require debate sponsors to exclude any recognized candidate as punishment for participating in non-sanctioned debates, wrote Sandler. All major candidates in 2008, including Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, participated in unsanctioned debates, he said.
After the DNC announced the schedule of it debates last week, OMalley launched a crusade against the party to increase the number of debates. Shame on us as a party if the DNC tries to limit debate, OMalley said on msnbc Monday. I believe we need more debates, not fewer debates. And I think its outrageous, actually, that the DNC would try to make this process decidedly undemocratic.....
Read more:
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/martin-omalley-raises-legal-questions-democratic-debate-plan
By Alex Seitz-Wald - 08/11/15 10:05 AMUPDATED 08/11/15 05:01 PM
~Snip~
Shame on us as a party if the DNC tries to limit debate.
Sandler OMalleys lawyer who served as general counsel to the DNC from 1993 through 2008, first in-house and then through his law firm also says the party has never used an exclusivity clause in the past.
Although the DNC announced a schedule of sanctioned debates both in 2004 and 2008, it has never before attempted to require debate sponsors to exclude any recognized candidate as punishment for participating in non-sanctioned debates, wrote Sandler. All major candidates in 2008, including Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, participated in unsanctioned debates, he said.
After the DNC announced the schedule of it debates last week, OMalley launched a crusade against the party to increase the number of debates. Shame on us as a party if the DNC tries to limit debate, OMalley said on msnbc Monday. I believe we need more debates, not fewer debates. And I think its outrageous, actually, that the DNC would try to make this process decidedly undemocratic.....
Read more:
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/martin-omalley-raises-legal-questions-democratic-debate-plan
OMalley challenges DNC over 'rigged' debate schedule
BY BRADFORD RICHARDSON - 08/28/15 03:41 PM EDT
~Snip~
Four debates and only four debates we are told, not asked before voters in our earliest states make their decision, the presidential candidate said at the Democratic National Committee (DNC) Summer Meeting on Friday.
This sort of rigged process has never been attempted before, he added. One debate in Iowa. Thats it. One debate in New Hampshire. Thats all we can afford.
Read more:
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/omalley-dnc-debbie-schultz-awkward-debates
BY BRADFORD RICHARDSON - 08/28/15 03:41 PM EDT
~Snip~
Four debates and only four debates we are told, not asked before voters in our earliest states make their decision, the presidential candidate said at the Democratic National Committee (DNC) Summer Meeting on Friday.
This sort of rigged process has never been attempted before, he added. One debate in Iowa. Thats it. One debate in New Hampshire. Thats all we can afford.
Read more:
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/omalley-dnc-debbie-schultz-awkward-debates
And as to the coverage everyone knows the primary season started in 2015. Do we need to dig up some posts here by us all or can we just admit that candidates were campaigning at that time?
Seriously. The early part of the primary season is when a candidate needs to be seen and heard to get their message out and that was what I was clearly trying to get across.
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She did that to herself. 95% of her commercials were about how Trump was unqualified.
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#39
Fair enough, but since the media wasn't being fair, why didn't she take advantage of her resources?
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#46
Thread's about media coverage of Dem Primary. Go start a thread about how bad HRC's GE ads were, it
emulatorloo
Nov 2016
#68
I am damn tired of hearing Bernie's whines about blackouts and other assorted bullshit
bravenak
Nov 2016
#2
His speeches were covered on cable news. in their entirety most times. He was on more news shows
boston bean
Nov 2016
#6
Yes he was, it was a very selective one that often came pre significant primaries and post victories
JCanete
Nov 2016
#29
Last fall on ABC News Trump got 81 minutes of coverage. Bernie got 20 seconds.....
think
Nov 2016
#13
Looking at who controls the media in this country I'm not surprised at all. This country is going
RKP5637
Nov 2016
#15
Because having separate messages for every demographic group worked for Hillary?
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#50
He's not "doing" it because he's a man. He's "getting away with it" because he is.
BobbyDrake
Nov 2016
#85
Welcome to being a Democrat Bernie. We are already well aware of how the right wing media works.
NCTraveler
Nov 2016
#21
It was a big party and Bernie wasn't invited. He needed to kiss more corporate ass to get on TV.
jalan48
Nov 2016
#23
The irony is that Bernie was also the beneficiary of the corporate media the same way
R B Garr
Nov 2016
#27
He had the same speech over and over and over again. Nothing to report most of the time.
Lil Missy
Nov 2016
#33
That was before the primary campaigns went into full gear and totally omits mention of Clinton....
bettyellen
Nov 2016
#55
Negative press might be better if it's repeating what you said - like they do for trump....
bettyellen
Nov 2016
#111
the TEEVEE GNEWS MASSAGED the results of the election for MAXIMUM RATINGS PERIOD.
pansypoo53219
Nov 2016
#36
the GOP is also the enemy, and yes, they are in league with the TV assholes
Fast Walker 52
Nov 2016
#42
Trump got 81 minutes of air time on ABC News compared to 20 seconds for Bernie last year
think
Nov 2016
#47
I didn't post the original (unsourced!) numbers, perhaps you should ask Think?
George II
Nov 2016
#106
Yes. He got 10 minutes total of prime time news coverage on the major networks, ABC, NBC, CBS.
think
Nov 2016
#57
81 minutes compared to 20 seconds on ABC NEWS. Is it that hard to see the massive difference
think
Nov 2016
#82
Eichenwald blatantly omits the new exclusion rule which forbid candidates from being in non sanction
think
Nov 2016
#98
I stopped watching Rachel Maddow after the Michigan primary, where she essentially ignored his
Fast Walker 52
Nov 2016
#41
When Trump first launched his campaign many in the media wanted to file it under "Entertainment".
Spitfire of ATJ
Nov 2016
#52
There was more media coverage of Sanders than there was of Clinton. In fact prior to the convention
George II
Nov 2016
#69
What's true is that Sanders lost the primary and Clinton lost the general election.
David__77
Nov 2016
#86