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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
42. I'm not talking about trying to convert Trump voters.
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 03:50 PM
Nov 2016

If any of them break with the guy, it will be because he manages to alienate them-not because of anything we might say. This was more about pondering what the tipping point might be.

We do need to turn nonvoters into voters-a lot of us have been saying that for years. This involves a major change in attitude towards non-voters. Rather than just attack them for NOT voting, we as a party need to take a look at ourselves and our "offer" and need to try and find out what it is about those that fails to connect with people.

One thing I would argue that we need to change is the tendency to DEMAND votes. We had a lot to offer this year, but the demanding tone a lot of us took mainly had the effect, as it always does, of simply driving people away. People just don't respond well to being told they HAVE to do something. We do better when we phrase it as "we'll do things that will help you, that will make a difference in your life, and that's why we are ASKING for your support". People, as a general rule, to be asked. They hate to be given orders and treated as if they owe something with no expectation of getting anything in return. We can get more votes by making our appeal positive, and we had the chance to do that with what we offered this year. Instead, rather than emphasizing over and over again how good our platform was and how it would help people, far too much of our pitch, especially in the last month, was "They're monsters-you HAVE to vote for us". My experience is that, when people hear that type of a pitch, they don't think "you're right, we HAVE to vote for you"; instead, they think "If all these folks have to say is that the other side is horrible, then THEY must not have anything to offer that's going to be good for us", or simply "screw you-don't tell me what I have to do".

Now obviously, the other side was and is horrific, but if we wanted to do well enough to keep the other side out, we needed to not only say "they're horrible", we also needed to say "but here's why WE'RE BETTER". If we had found the way to make that kind of appeal, we would be celebrating now instead of quaking in our boots. And the key to winning in the future will be finding a way to make a positive appeal, to get people to vote FOR rather than just against.

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Wait until they lose their health insurance, the wall is not built and the jobs don't return. LonePirate Nov 2016 #1
I can't wait that long. without medicare and SS I'm in big doo doo... pangaia Nov 2016 #17
Yeap, the UE rate in WI is 4.4, in PA its 4.8 and is 5.6 in MI...I don't see DPutin making those ... uponit7771 Nov 2016 #22
The unemployment rate doesn't count people who gave up trying to find work jfern Nov 2016 #26
The LFPR is up and the U6 rate is down in those areas too, I don't peddle RWTP's, they're usually uponit7771 Nov 2016 #27
Median incomes are still 1400 less than in 1999. jfern Nov 2016 #29
... which is excellent after a GOP great depression. There's very few bad caveats to the economic .. uponit7771 Nov 2016 #30
But they'll have wonderful Health Savings Accounts to use! Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2016 #43
I really don't care about Trump voters. It's the idiots who didn't vote LuvLoogie Nov 2016 #2
Yep. After Johnson voters find out AG Sessions will be enforcing federal marijuana laws they'll will RAFisher Nov 2016 #6
As a party, we need to be actively involved in persuading nonvoters to start voting. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #11
Use it or lose it. That is the extent of my persuasive speech. LuvLoogie Nov 2016 #13
Maybe this will bring the glorious progressive revolution Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2016 #37
Stop delivering beer outside the city limits and tell them rwheeler31 Nov 2016 #3
I think if Republicans are actually stupid enough to kill the ACA without having a real plan mythology Nov 2016 #4
They'll kill the ACA and blame Obama. And they'll get away with it. LuvLoogie Nov 2016 #14
That's my take also. pangaia Nov 2016 #18
It will depend on their reasons for their votes. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2016 #5
Yes on all counts. NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #7
When they start losing their health care, they will wake up. Trump made a lot of bold promises akbacchus_BC Nov 2016 #8
No they won't wake up. They will keep blaming LuvLoogie Nov 2016 #12
Do not underestimate ignorance. He promised them a bread basket and sooner than akbacchus_BC Nov 2016 #15
4 YEARS !!! pangaia Nov 2016 #20
You are right. pangaia Nov 2016 #19
in too many districts there is NO dem on the ballot at any level. lost dems might come back msongs Nov 2016 #9
That is an excellent point. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #10
That is what the repubs started doing at least as long agho as 1980.. in the '70s really.. pangaia Nov 2016 #21
I've felt, for the longest time, that establishment core of this party fears grassroots involvement. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #24
That is just not the case. boston bean Nov 2016 #33
My experience, watching Democratic politics since the early 1970's Ken Burch Nov 2016 #38
THIS !!!! Deans 50 state all counties should be dem mantra RIGHT HOT DAMN NOW... don't uponit7771 Nov 2016 #23
Well, there are also a kazillion districts where there is no Republican on the ballot at any level frazzled Nov 2016 #39
Guns. Rural voters care about their right to buy any kind of weapon. 33taw Nov 2016 #16
Do those people Doreen Nov 2016 #25
Yes, they think the republicans will let them keep their guns. 33taw Nov 2016 #28
I do not know Doreen Nov 2016 #41
I think a lot of them don't really understand what the GOP stands for, what it has in store for 'em Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #31
I suspect watching their loved ones sicken and die will have an effect Vogon_Glory Nov 2016 #32
You all have too much faith in people Txbluedog Nov 2016 #34
Loss of health insurance, benefits, jobs, etc. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #35
Some people vote based on their personal feelings about the world rather than how they're affected gollygee Nov 2016 #36
I respect what you're asking, however, I don't believe we should be converting Trump voters. Hugin Nov 2016 #40
I'm not talking about trying to convert Trump voters. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #42
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