2016 Postmortem

frazzled

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90. Unions, good jobs, good wages, job retraining ...

Wed Nov 30, 2016, 04:25 PM

Nov 2016

All these things were talked about ad infinitum by Democrats. Indeed, they are totally Democratic—not Republican—ideas. Did anyone besides me watch all the days of the Democratic convention, or listen to any of the stump speeches? Or listen to Obama over these past 8 years?

This article is bull poopy. If these are the things Democrats needed to say (which, again, by the way, they did), then are these the things that Republicans or Trump said to win the Rust Belt? Did they promise to strengthen unions (no, they want to dismantle them); did they promise to seek higher wages (no, they don't even support raising the minimum wage); did they speak about job training programs for the new economy (not that I ever heard). All Trump did was promise them to "make America great again" and stop shipping jobs off--fat chance with the steel-and-coal-dismantling new Commerce secretary he's chosen: he's the one who bought up and sold off all those industries to China and elsewhere.

I call foul on this essay. Transgender bathrooms were a Republican issue. Totally.

I wish I could tear my hair out. But why should I harm myself?

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Democrats Dont Have an Easy Answer for the Rust Belt [View all] mia Nov 2016 OP

To me, this is an excellent option! RKP5637 Nov 2016 #1

Which is exactly... JHan Nov 2016 #2

Hillary talked about.. JHan Nov 2016 #3

I don't remember jobs being a core message of her campaign Red Oak Nov 2016 #8

I remember several of her policy speeches , and she did frequently talk about app. programs.. JHan Nov 2016 #12

She had a bunch of policy speeches. That was part of the problem. Red Oak Nov 2016 #16

Message and policy matters... JHan Nov 2016 #23

Can you suggest a time when politics was different? Red Oak Nov 2016 #24

I get what you're saying, JHan Nov 2016 #31

I understand your pain Red Oak Nov 2016 #35

It frustrates me too. lovemydog Nov 2016 #87

The Democrats were not able to talk about the issues. It was all about what tRump said. madinmaryland Nov 2016 #4

THANK you! It's infuriating that most people don't remember how she was sidelined from BlueCaliDem Nov 2016 #42

I remember her ads were not about issues but about what trump said. Cobalt Violet Nov 2016 #84

Yes. Her ads were the result of the sad reporting by MM propping up Trump. BlueCaliDem Nov 2016 #89

she could've talked about issues in her ads but chose not to. Cobalt Violet Nov 2016 #83

I have an easy solution... Barack_America Nov 2016 #5

Thought we just got through trying this Red Oak Nov 2016 #7

You don't write off ANYONE. EVER! RBInMaine Nov 2016 #50

It's about priorities and resources. Barack_America Nov 2016 #57

Surely you jest. democrank Nov 2016 #58

I do not jest. Barack_America Nov 2016 #59

They voted for Obama because he promised change and didn't deliver. pipoman Nov 2016 #60

One of the Democratic Partys biggest mistake is believing democrank Nov 2016 #66

Explain to me, then, how you get both. Barack_America Nov 2016 #67

I sincerely appreciate your open-mindedness, B_A. democrank Nov 2016 #68

I agree with expanding apprenticships Best_man23 Nov 2016 #6

It's actually really simple...rural working class should be Democrats are sick of "nanny state" NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #9

Well said. n/t mia Nov 2016 #10

Who has been telling them how to live and what to say? JHan Nov 2016 #13

I've heard complaints about bunch of EPA regs championed by democrats Amishman Nov 2016 #14

People in urban areas view things differently than rural people NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #46

I sympathize with your overall point, but kids will eat if they get hungry enough. Kentonio Nov 2016 #85

You are spot on. Red Oak Nov 2016 #17

THIS x1000... Yurovsky Nov 2016 #33

It's just too bad that there wasn't more reporting about Trump ripping off contractors NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #47

This is the problem though. Kentonio Nov 2016 #86

YUP! Talk JOBS and what CAN be done! SHOW UP and LISTEN to them! They want to be HEARD! RBInMaine Nov 2016 #52

I don't recall "transgender bathrooms" being discussed. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #11

Hillary didn't have to win over Trump voters oberliner Nov 2016 #19

Turnout was pretty typical. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #20

I agree with your points oberliner Nov 2016 #21

And I agree that the Dems have room for improvement in terms of GOTV and other things. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #22

I'm not sure that's the case FBaggins Nov 2016 #25

I guess I just mean that 55-60% turnout is pretty typical. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #26

You can't fit real solutions on a bumper sticker... Wounded Bear Nov 2016 #15

New Deal Era Solutions Fit on a Notecard jake335544 Nov 2016 #54

The easy answer is to flip Texas and Arizona oberliner Nov 2016 #18

We need to start by telling these voters the truth. LonePirate Nov 2016 #27

They don't want to hear the truth. LisaL Nov 2016 #28

They don't want to hear the truth. LenaBaby61 Nov 2016 #40

Exactly bravenak Nov 2016 #30

You are wrong. Red Oak Nov 2016 #38

Several problems exist there. LonePirate Nov 2016 #39

You are still wrong, and an uninformed defeatist. Buck up and lets do something. Red Oak Nov 2016 #43

Ahhh, now it makes sense why you were complaining about environmental protections.... bettyellen Nov 2016 #45

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #49

There is no easy answr bravenak Nov 2016 #29

Yep, millions live in an alternate reality. From which there's no return. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #32

All that is true bravenak Nov 2016 #36

And what do you propose here? Red Oak Nov 2016 #44

New industries, less wage disparity and a universal basic income. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #48

This Yavin4 Nov 2016 #34

The more you tell people they have no hope, the more you volunteer to LOSE!!!!!! RBInMaine Nov 2016 #51

The US is manufacturing as much as ever before. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #55

Stop LYING TO PEOPLE bravenak Nov 2016 #61

Early on in the campaign (during the primary, perhaps), a Trump supporter said the following: Garrett78 Nov 2016 #62

I agree completely bravenak Nov 2016 #63

Most Trump voters will continue supporting him no matter what. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #64

I believe that too bravenak Nov 2016 #65

I agree with it too and with you as well. But I lovemydog Nov 2016 #88

help each other in great times of need demtenjeep Nov 2016 #37

That poor woman ... LenaBaby61 Nov 2016 #41

We can't get by on the same message. We'll be obliterated. jake335544 Nov 2016 #53

Easy equals Lies Madam45for2923 Nov 2016 #56

I don't know Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #69

The US is manufacturing as much as ever before. But automation means fewer people are needed. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #70

This is why Democrats lose...that is untrue... millions of jobs Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #71

Millions of jobs have gone overseas, but it's also true that the US is manufacturing as much as ever Garrett78 Nov 2016 #72

That is an excuse...these jobs are being done elsewhere...like in Mexico and Korea...China. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #73

Yes, and the US could get those jobs back if... Garrett78 Nov 2016 #75

Also, somethings made oveseas are counted as being manufactured in America. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #74

The Republicans sure as hell have no answer . apcalc Nov 2016 #76

You are right, they don't have an answer, but they have control, and a lot of people are going to still_one Nov 2016 #78

The choices were pretty f**ken clear. Those self-identified progressives who refused to vote for still_one Nov 2016 #77

"Trump only won NY because of NYC" HockeyMom Nov 2016 #79

The irony is the "rust belt" is mostly under GOP governors Blue_Tires Nov 2016 #80

And life there would be worse if not for the Obama Administration. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #82

Policy around restrooms is not simply a "cultural issue." David__77 Nov 2016 #81

Unions, good jobs, good wages, job retraining ... frazzled Nov 2016 #90