2016 Postmortem

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184. Fantastic and astute analysis. I completely agree. n/t

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Who should have been the democratic party nominee for president? [View all] mike_c Nov 2016 OP

Hillary underpants Nov 2016 #1

you would prefer to run a losing candidate (and have a Trump presidency)? mike_c Nov 2016 #10

Nobody could have beaten Trump Applan Nov 2016 #52

It would have been difficult to beat any of the last 3 GOP hopefuls. People forget how bad GOP stevenleser Nov 2016 #76

Cruz would have been a very weak candidate Sen. Walter Sobchak Nov 2016 #117

Cruz and Kasich both polled better against Hillary than Trump stevenleser Nov 2016 #138

He was totally beatable. But not by her. TDale313 Nov 2016 #128

I guess we should just give up 2020 then too SpareribSP Nov 2016 #157

Hillary lost the election to Comey. lapucelle Nov 2016 #90

Joe Biden is the easy answer hueymahl Nov 2016 #2

I agree with you-- Biden would have been a good nominee... mike_c Nov 2016 #15

YES!!!!! get the red out Nov 2016 #33

I agree Biden mainstreetonce Nov 2016 #51

Would have been a great one Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #86

There were issues with Biden. lapucelle Nov 2016 #98

Biden, Bernie, or Elizabeth would of won easily... but, it was Hillary's turn and, as they say, the rest is history. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #104

this mike_c Nov 2016 #107

Who's turn is then coming up next? LanternWaste Nov 2016 #168

It's Bernie's turn, of course... just like it was Hillary's turn after she lost to Obama. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #191

Biden, absolutely. tinrobot Nov 2016 #126

The one who won by millions of votes. nt. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #3

The one who won the primary by MILLIONS of votes. Really, you're going down this road? MADem Nov 2016 #4

The jury returned their verdict. It's over. It's done, she loss, move on. This is as pathetic as Exilednight Nov 2016 #49

You plainly don't understand the purpose of this recount. MADem Nov 2016 #53

I don't understand the recount due to the fact she will not get the required EVs. Exilednight Nov 2016 #65

And you think that's the ONLY goal? MADem Nov 2016 #69

Unfair as it is, with Republicans in control there will be no amendment to change the EC. Exilednight Nov 2016 #71

Biden didn't choose to run. It's easy to fantasize about him and Warren. nt pnwmom Nov 2016 #113

No worse than those thinking about a Hillary presidency. Exilednight Nov 2016 #118

Hillary was chosen by 2,350,000 more voters than DT. (And her lead is still increasing.) pnwmom Nov 2016 #120

How does a person become president? Exilednight Nov 2016 #122

The fact remains that the strong majority (54%) voted against Trump. pnwmom Nov 2016 #123

No more ignorant than thinking Hillary still has a shot. Exilednight Nov 2016 #127

I don't think Hillary can win now, and that's why I didn't donate to Stein's pnwmom Nov 2016 #130

Third party candidates was not why Hillary lost the election. Exilednight Nov 2016 #170

The 7 million third party votes had a huge impact. If about a hundred thousand of them in key states pnwmom Nov 2016 #171

If they voted 3rx party they were never going to vote for Hillary. Exilednight Nov 2016 #175

If they were never going to vote for Hillary they were willing to let Trump win; pnwmom Nov 2016 #177

And they did let Trump win. Exilednight Nov 2016 #181

And the Greens proved once again what phonies they are, pnwmom Nov 2016 #183

Any serious nomination challenge to Clinton would have been a bloodbath Sen. Walter Sobchak Nov 2016 #125

No worse than Obama vs Hillary. Exilednight Nov 2016 #129

No, I think it would have been a lot worse Sen. Walter Sobchak Nov 2016 #135

The party is at war with itself now. Exilednight Nov 2016 #137

That is because we lost the election Sen. Walter Sobchak Nov 2016 #139

It wasn't just that we lost the election, it's because we nominated an establishment candidate Exilednight Nov 2016 #140

Any number of "establishment" candidates could have won Sen. Walter Sobchak Nov 2016 #141

Look, we've had three terrific nominees since 2000 (four, with Obama) LisaM Nov 2016 #5

Excellent. Hoyt Nov 2016 #11

Agreed... TwilightZone Nov 2016 #66

This!!! DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #67

gerrymandering doesn't affect presidential elections zipplewrath Nov 2016 #78

But gerrymandering DOES affect things like how many polling sites there are in a district, LisaM Nov 2016 #94

Hard pressed zipplewrath Nov 2016 #161

According to Dana Millbank, there were possibly millions of suppressed votes. LisaM Nov 2016 #164

Hillary. (nt) JaneQPublic Nov 2016 #6

Apparently we should have run, wait for it- rzemanfl Nov 2016 #7

Thread winner! hueymahl Nov 2016 #28

I actually refer to the little fuhrer as president Camacho sometimes too! nt Lucky Luciano Nov 2016 #146

We had a candidate, chosen in the primaries. MineralMan Nov 2016 #8

Agree with your statement. Wellstone ruled Nov 2016 #12

6 million zipplewrath Nov 2016 #160

The election is over. I'm not really interested MineralMan Nov 2016 #163

He who does not study history zipplewrath Nov 2016 #173

Hillary JI7 Nov 2016 #9

I supported SBS during the primary katsy Nov 2016 #13

I think people need to understand that this can't ever be resolved. Skinner Nov 2016 #14

DU needs a "like" button.... mike_c Nov 2016 #19

I agree Lotusflower70 Nov 2016 #16

He has lot of baggage, including the simple fact marybourg Nov 2016 #54

Socialist Lotusflower70 Nov 2016 #56

Agree. nt marybourg Nov 2016 #92

All the bullshit liquid diamond Nov 2016 #91

Does it matter? Txbluedog Nov 2016 #17

I think it will certainly help us move forward... mike_c Nov 2016 #20

I agree that the Party needs to learn from it's mistakes Txbluedog Nov 2016 #23

This is liquid diamond Nov 2016 #96

I don't think we can have a productive conversation on this subject el_bryanto Nov 2016 #18

Excellent post!!! Txbluedog Nov 2016 #32

Bernie Sanders Calculating Nov 2016 #21

Debbie Wassermann Schultz rigged it so Bernie was marginalized right from the beginning and RKP5637 Nov 2016 #29

There's that "Southern states" horse shit again. Democrats in every state get to vote in the primary BobbyDrake Nov 2016 #30

This 1000 and he should have just said black voters. SaschaHM Nov 2016 #38

Me too. They've earned a heaping serving of "Right back at you" from now on. BobbyDrake Nov 2016 #42

Mark Dayton greymattermom Nov 2016 #22

Minnesota doing well? The Rethugs just won control of both Chambers of the State Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #193

Who knows? That's why we needed a truly open and competitive primary Azathoth Nov 2016 #24

Agreed. Remember when we had 8 candidates running? Merlot Nov 2016 #102

Most reasonable post I've read in awhile. tecelote Nov 2016 #136

Yup. nt Lucky Luciano Nov 2016 #147

Exactly! Gram Parsons Nov 2016 #154

"the only guy who stayed in the race was the quixotic socialist." SpareribSP Nov 2016 #159

Fantastic and astute analysis. I completely agree. n/t Tatiana Nov 2016 #184

What is the point in all this bullshit hashing over the primaries doc03 Nov 2016 #25

actually, I'm hoping that we can learn for the future mike_c Nov 2016 #109

You may have stepped into the wrong forum, doc. JudyM Nov 2016 #149

Someone who could have beaten Donald Trump. vi5 Nov 2016 #26

Sadly, Hillary had a lot of baggage. I think Joe Biden would have done better. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2016 #27

Hillary Rodham Clinton Madam45for2923 Nov 2016 #31

The Democartic nominee should have been BlueMTexpat Nov 2016 #34

So many things wrong with this answer hueymahl Nov 2016 #36

This. JudyM Nov 2016 #150

It has never been about refighting the primaries. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #44

this isn't about refighting the primaries.... mike_c Nov 2016 #105

Whoever the party nominated would have been viciously smeared based on lies StevieM Nov 2016 #35

Not Clinton or Sanders. David__77 Nov 2016 #37

I'm very happy she won Barbara Boxer's seat in the Senate.... mike_c Nov 2016 #112

The winner of the Democratic primary. Period. SaschaHM Nov 2016 #39

Sanders, of course. Don't confuse the DU consensus for the real world. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2016 #40

Joe Biden LeftInTX Nov 2016 #41

I think Hillary could have won, if only she had treated the fall campaign as a partnership Ken Burch Nov 2016 #43

Something like this... Skinner Nov 2016 #46

Too equivocal for the "I do whatever the GOP tells me to do" Democrat. Squinch Nov 2016 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Nov 2016 #61

Exactly. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #55

It made for a pretty good acceptance speech at the DNC. Skinner Nov 2016 #58

I know she said it there, Skinner. But after that, she never spoke like that again. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #68

Aww. She didn't say it enough. mcar Nov 2016 #74

Repetition of the message matters. The way we appeal to voters matters. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #83

So her ad budget should have been directed at The Busters? BainsBane Nov 2016 #79

The ads could be directed to both. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #131

Great post Nance Gothmog Nov 2016 #144

This is the third time you've called me Nance! BainsBane Nov 2016 #158

I am sorry Gothmog Dec 2016 #194

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Nov 2016 #115

Always moving the goalposts emulatorloo Nov 2016 #119

You are Wrong Gothmog Nov 2016 #142

Yeah she did. At rallies you didn't attend and weren't covered on TV. n/t pnwmom Nov 2016 #143

Well played. BainsBane Nov 2016 #81

Oh, snap! Well played, sir! Hekate Nov 2016 #153

Well done, Skinner! emulatorloo Nov 2016 #60

Ooops. Good memory sir. That was in mid-July, Sanders finally "got out there"..... George II Nov 2016 #72

If she had said anything close to this, we'd be looking at President-elect Clinton. Tatiana Nov 2016 #185

She did. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #192

That entire suggestion is nothing but infantile appeasement. BobbyDrake Nov 2016 #62

Appeasement is a totally inappropriate term. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #70

The word appeasement equals Third Reich? tammywammy Nov 2016 #111

Neville Chamberlain and Munich. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #133

Appeasement is not a word used solely by Chamberlain regarding Nazis. synergie Nov 2016 #155

Considering how elections are won by 2016 standards, someone who is a bigger liar than Trump mtnsnake Nov 2016 #45

Hillary won the popular vote by a wider margin than any candidate, win or lose, since the 1870s Squinch Nov 2016 #47

She did beat Trump but for the EC. duffyduff Nov 2016 #50

The big problem, I think, is that we haven't been grooming young candidates Retrograde Nov 2016 #57

Democratic party tends to atrophy when we win the White House. geek tragedy Nov 2016 #64

Bingo zipplewrath Nov 2016 #88

Of the candidates who ran, I think none of them would have done better. mythology Nov 2016 #59

Elizabeth Warren seems like an obvious answer, but she didn't want the job geek tragedy Nov 2016 #63

Jesus God, there is only one answer Eliz Warren jodymarie aimee Nov 2016 #93

What is the point of rehashing this? Vinca Nov 2016 #73

I'm rehashing it to emphasize the absurdity... mike_c Nov 2016 #95

who's a celeb djsunyc Nov 2016 #75

Should of's, could of's when it started Trump wasn't even a fart.... Historic NY Nov 2016 #77

Hillary. Lil Missy Nov 2016 #80

The Democrats were so stupid. If only they had nominated Kirill Shamalov, it would have been a still_one Nov 2016 #82

Joe Biden... most honest person in politics... he would have defeated any R... MyNameIsKhan Nov 2016 #84

You're brave to ask on this forum. George Eliot Nov 2016 #85

Hillary won the nomination without the supers Buzz cook Nov 2016 #87

Hillary was the only real choice Gothmog Nov 2016 #89

Senator Clinton lost because she was the wrong candidate at the wrong time.... mike_c Nov 2016 #99

What about Warren? She had all of Hillary's good points, but nothing Trump could attack her for. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #145

Hillary won NY & California by over 6 million votes. jmg257 Nov 2016 #97

she was a close second to the most unfit candidate in American history.... mike_c Nov 2016 #100

Yep - it was a bit surprising, but in th eend understandable. nt jmg257 Nov 2016 #101

they didn't want a populist outsider. they wanted a bigot who would ban and kick out "those" people JI7 Nov 2016 #156

Warren BeyondGeography Nov 2016 #103

If she wanted it, she could have. My pick for 2020. Exilednight Nov 2016 #108

Me too BeyondGeography Nov 2016 #114

Limberbutt McCubbins the Cat shenmue Nov 2016 #106

"I'm with Limberbutt...." mike_c Nov 2016 #110

Biden, Warren or Jerry Brown in that order Sen. Walter Sobchak Nov 2016 #116

Jerry Brown might have been good indeed. David__77 Nov 2016 #132

Hillary Clinton. She was the best qualified for the job, and would have made an excellent president lunamagica Nov 2016 #121

Tim Ryan n/t Polly Hennessey Nov 2016 #124

Hitler/Satan could have defeated Trump/Pence emulatorloo Nov 2016 #134

The voters nominated the winner. Hillary. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #148

Oddjob. The guy from the 007 films saltpoint Nov 2016 #151

You read my mind two hours before I posted it. Hugin Nov 2016 #166

Hot dog, Hugin -- we got them ol' saltpoint Nov 2016 #167

VP Biden! Corey_Baker08 Nov 2016 #152

Bernie jman0war Nov 2016 #162

Apparently, some c-rated wannabe reality show celebrity. Hugin Nov 2016 #165

Jim Webb TSIAS Nov 2016 #169

The scrapper from Scranton WMDemocract Nov 2016 #172

If we can't choose Sanders, I would say Biden would have won shawn703 Nov 2016 #174

Biden would have won. Sanders would have gotten crushed. Hillary was my 2nd choice. I had no 3rd. Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #176

Bernie. ret5hd Nov 2016 #178

I'm concerned now about 2020 wondering who that might be! Trump was/is a superb con artist, but RKP5637 Nov 2016 #179

As much as I am now coming down on the septuagenarians, I think Warren could have won. randome Nov 2016 #180

I don't think we're asking the right questions. iscooterliberally Nov 2016 #182

So, I stepped into this DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #186

Senator Elizabeth Warren. She can speak to the Occupy Wall Street generation, she can get a crowd Dems to Win Nov 2016 #187

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2016 #188

welcome to DU.... mike_c Nov 2016 #190

Personally I would have preferred Sanders- that's why I voted for him in the primary, of course- but Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #189

Hmmmm LP2K12 Dec 2016 #195

Jim Webb Blackbottle Dec 2016 #196

He was a lazy candidate who couldn't campaign his way out of a paper bag. MADem Dec 2016 #197