2016 Postmortem

bravenak

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51. We won the working class. He won the white men

Wed Nov 30, 2016, 07:07 PM

Nov 2016

Should I as a black woman be comfortable not expressing my opinion that voting to deport millions of fellow americans based on race and religion is racist as fuck, and that if you voted to build a fucking wall because you think mexicans are scary as hell and you want to keep them out and round up the rest, you are racist?

I notice you defend these people who committed this racist act by saying they are hurting. Like it is okay to sell the rest of us out for a few dollars.

We won more votes.

Which group of lifelong democrats of color are you willing to throw under the bus based on this FANTASY of getting white men to vote democratic? Let me know so I can change my registration, because I refuse to sit down and shut up and not call and spade a spade or a racist a racist, just so this delusion of getting white men back can come to fruition.

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The more you call white working class voters "racist" the more you will LOSE elections. [View all] RBInMaine Nov 2016 OP

...for the next 4-8 years. Tiggeroshii Nov 2016 #1

Whites were 71% of the voters. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #6

Imho, yours is a losing argument. There is no guarantee that playing identity politics in jonno99 Nov 2016 #8

Not playing identity politics. Just not constantly trying to cater to the anxieties of white people. Tiggeroshii Nov 2016 #11

Supporting civil rights and not throwing Democratic constutency under the bust is not identiy Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #109

This isn't going to happen for a few decades. Ace Rothstein Nov 2016 #13

No. Tiggeroshii Nov 2016 #14

Not a few decades. It's been pretty well reported that we will become a majority minority . . . brush Nov 2016 #62

Do you know what a few means? Ace Rothstein Nov 2016 #69

Since a couple is two, I've always thought a few meant at least 4 or more brush Nov 2016 #73

You must really want to lose badly jfern Dec 2016 #82

that demographic is utterly tired of "hope" and "change"... mike_c Nov 2016 #2

Because obviously make America great again is all substance and no slogan? mythology Nov 2016 #42

you're preaching to the choir.... mike_c Nov 2016 #47

The white working class isn't racist. It is the white working class people who voted for Trump. Squinch Nov 2016 #3

1000! sheshe2 Nov 2016 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author lunamagica Nov 2016 #59

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2016 #34

Thank you Squinch! DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #45

Exactly! mcar Nov 2016 #55

Well said! Thank you! lunamagica Nov 2016 #60

+1000!!!! Well said! AgadorSparticus Nov 2016 #68

Yes! gollygee Dec 2016 #89

What about the ones who voted for Obama or Sanders? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2016 #95

If they voted for Obama and Sanders, and then voted for Trump, then clearly they voted for Trump Squinch Dec 2016 #115

So, they're racist fucks because they voted for the black guy... lumberjack_jeff Dec 2016 #118

Clearly there are a lot of things you aren't fluent in. Squinch Dec 2016 #121

Hear, hear! billh58 Dec 2016 #104

fucking right ProfessorPlum Dec 2016 #107

step one is to have democratic candidate in every contest in every election.... msongs Nov 2016 #4

I am a white, working voter with plenty of "class" and NO ONE has called me racist. TygrBright Nov 2016 #5

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2016 #38

Thank you!! DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #46

I want to save this mcar Nov 2016 #57

Woohoo! Great rant. You sound like a good, oldfashioned leftist that I'd be proud to march with. brush Nov 2016 #64

Bravo! radical noodle Nov 2016 #77

+1000 n/t billh58 Dec 2016 #105

Woo! gollygee Dec 2016 #117

"Not all Republicans are racists... yallerdawg Nov 2016 #7

I hate to break it to you... Joe941 Dec 2016 #84

agreed. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #110

It's hard to not vote for the ice cream man. TheCowsCameHome Nov 2016 #9

Clinton would have won the white vote IF none of the "born again" ones had voted. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #10

Who is this post addressed to exactly? Freethinker65 Nov 2016 #12

Single issue voters. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #17

Except guns are often a racial issue. Look at the NRA and the white wingers who are the biggest gun Hoyt Nov 2016 #24

Those guys might have been racist, but they didn't strike me that way. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #30

You should read the post immediately after yours. That's who. nt lumberjack_jeff Nov 2016 #21

I get your point but Freethinker65 Nov 2016 #28

Did you read DU for any length of time before joining? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2016 #96

I have been reading DU since early Air America days... Freethinker65 Dec 2016 #100

They voted for a racist. FACT. boston bean Nov 2016 #15

Stupid, feed up, want to see the world burn NWCorona Nov 2016 #26

I was just going to post the same thing. frazzled Nov 2016 #27

What about when they actually say racist things... MrScorpio Nov 2016 #16

We'd have to wait for the facts to come out gollygee Dec 2016 #116

Maybe it's not really about winning elections at this point. jalan48 Nov 2016 #18

well they sure voted for someone who endorsed racism treestar Nov 2016 #19

They are NOT RACIST! sheshe2 Nov 2016 #36

The modern D party tolerates the working class... lumberjack_jeff Nov 2016 #20

I'm sure that several auto workers who kept working due to the bail out... Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #22

Amen Brother or Sister! Fichefinder Nov 2016 #33

Inequality apparently isn't healthy for maintaining a civilization! Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #39

"Provided they aren't straight, white and male." DonCoquixote Nov 2016 #37

Just a note SpareribSP Nov 2016 #74

oh I do nto deny they need help DonCoquixote Nov 2016 #78

Absolutely agreed. SpareribSP Nov 2016 #79

We're playing a game that the Republicans chose for us. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2016 #99

I will give you the credit DonCoquixote Dec 2016 #102

Because it occupies airtime. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2016 #103

true, hiowever DonCoquixote Dec 2016 #112

Most of the media airtime in 1984 was handwringing about how low and irresponsible the ad was. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2016 #113

What BS. People who vote for Trump are rightfully spooky3 Nov 2016 #40

I see that you're feeling victimized tonight. nt. SaschaHM Nov 2016 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author lumberjack_jeff Nov 2016 #70

You watch the news and don't feel victimized? lumberjack_jeff Nov 2016 #71

Cool story, guy. LanternWaste Dec 2016 #87

Insert eyeroll emoji here. N/t gollygee Dec 2016 #90

If you refer to anyone who works as "they", Fichefinder Nov 2016 #23

I have an excellent infrastructure idea which would benefit firefighters all over the country meow2u3 Nov 2016 #25

I love that idea!! Fichefinder Nov 2016 #35

Great idea. This is the kind of grand scheme project that America used to be able to do brush Nov 2016 #67

Those who voted for Trump voted for someone who was openly bigoted and endorsed by the KKK. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #29

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I'd rather lose elections than tolerate racism. Coventina Nov 2016 #41

Who is the you in your OP? And does it include you? boston bean Nov 2016 #43

it is not a matter of ignoring them DonCoquixote Nov 2016 #44

Perhaps the expectation Skidmore Nov 2016 #49

Those in the "white working class" DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #50

We won the working class. He won the white men bravenak Nov 2016 #51

Jimmy Carter won the majority of white rural Southern voters in 1976. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #52

That was forty years ago and shit has changed alot bravenak Nov 2016 #54

Do you think white people are more racist today? n/t Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #56

Same as they were, just embracing it right now because they are resurging bravenak Nov 2016 #63

Article about a fast change that happened between 1976 and 1980... Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #61

Link? Garrett78 Dec 2016 #80

Here ya go... Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #83

Thanks. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #91

It was mostly about religion. Carter wore it on his sleeve in 1976. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #92

The "Moral Majority," founded in 1979, changed things. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #93

Yeah. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #94

Enough straw to build a bonfire. Nt NCTraveler Nov 2016 #53

+1 That's for damn sure. fleabiscuit Nov 2016 #75

This is particularly true, given possible developments of parties in the future NRQ891 Nov 2016 #58

are you trying to normalize heaven05 Nov 2016 #65

"Please, don't be simple-minded. People vote for a given candidate for a variety of reasons." TheDebbieDee Nov 2016 #66

All of them? brooklynite Dec 2016 #85

Sanders has the perfect tone in this interview on how to handle this. Quixote1818 Nov 2016 #72

I listened to part of that and it made me so angry at Bernie I had to take an aspirin...not Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #111

If Trump's constant spewing of hate an endorsement by the Klan dflprincess Nov 2016 #76

Strongly disagree with most of your post Ell09 Dec 2016 #81

I'm seeing a consistent pattern this week on DU indicating addressing racism is worse than racism it LanternWaste Dec 2016 #86

Sorry, I have yet to hear a viable or logical reason . . . HughBeaumont Dec 2016 #88

they sure showed us!!! They proved they weren't racist, by voting for the racist, right??? Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #97

How about we call them liberals! Maybe then they'll vote for Democrats!!! Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #98

Trump voters voted for BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #101

Except economics IS a racial issue. Systemic racism prevents the benefits of our economy from BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #106

Have you seen the racists come out of the closet so to speak... Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #108

i disagree, they are racist. n/t. okieinpain Dec 2016 #114

Here's what I do know. BlueStater Dec 2016 #119

they may not be pure racists pstokely Dec 2016 #120