2016 Postmortem

lapfog_1

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58. I have a few ideas

Fri Dec 2, 2016, 12:39 AM

Dec 2016

First, while elections are about specific people, lets not turn the democratic party into a personality cult. That goes for both Sanders and Clinton this last go round.

Let's outline some clear ideas to fight for... and then develop the language of the populist to sell them (they repukes are great at this... i.e. death tax not estate tax)

Try not to cover EVERYONE's specific pet peeve... hammer on just a few (no more than 6). That can re-enforce the tagline.

We can't be the nanny-state party. Let's not go there.

Finally, and this is hard, if we want to win we apparently are going to have to fight dirty, spread our own disinformation, and lie our asses off. And, also, make it cool to hate the establishment (now billionaire businessmen like the Orange One). Sorry, but hate seems to work as a motivator more than positive goals.

Last, and I'm serious here, we gotta cheat just like they do, suppress the white suburban vote, rig the voting machines, sign up un documented people to vote. Do all the things they do PLUS what they already accuse us of doing. Hillary should have won 320 electoral college votes and +5 million popular votes... the Senate should be BLUE and, in the wave election, the House should be BLUE too.l

Yeah, I'm a bit bitter... but maybe serious too.

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What would re-establish trust here? [View all] Ken Burch Dec 2016 OP

Perhaps, as you said, it requires abandoning attempts at blaming some Democrats, and candidates, guillaumeb Dec 2016 #1

Think carefully about who you want to target for votes bravenak Dec 2016 #2

I think this is absolutely correct. nt marybourg Dec 2016 #3

I think we need more outreach to those that did not vote... Raster Dec 2016 #4

Yep. We need to be smart, not sit around being sadface bravenak Dec 2016 #6

A combination of rage, defiant hope, and creativity would serve us well right now. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #18

I think tapping into the "rage" of new and uninformed voters backfired this time, and I'm not sure bettyellen Dec 2016 #37

We would have done worse running an "everything is fine" campaign. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #42

Hillary didn't lay a hand on Sanders. Some surrogate said he was "unfit" based on his limited bettyellen Dec 2016 #49

He didn't put down Planned Parenthood so much as disagree with its choice to intervene in the race Ken Burch Dec 2016 #59

He called PP a member of the establishment. boston bean Dec 2016 #61

He criticized PP in the heat of the campaign. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #62

He slimed PP, a nice dog whistle for the WWC voter I wonder? bettyellen Dec 2016 #92

No dog whistle at all. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #94

Insulting PP was a cheap shot at women's expense, period. Showed his commitment quite clearly. bettyellen Dec 2016 #96

The difference was Bernie's support was votes and Hillary's support was actions which PP articulated seaglass Dec 2016 #99

Yes NCTraveler Dec 2016 #24

Are you asking what would re-establish trust between DU members? n/t seaglass Dec 2016 #5

As a start, yes. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #7

I was mostly away from DU for a few months prior to the election. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #47

Yes, deviance from the approved narrative is being harshly punished. appal_jack Dec 2016 #50

Creative story, fella! LanternWaste Dec 2016 #69

I agree... Joe941 Dec 2016 #78

Me, too. mnhtnbb Dec 2016 #93

Stop thinking of the party as a club. It's not - it's a vehicle for imposing governance philosophy. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2016 #8

We don't actually bar gun owning white guys as it is. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #11

Stop bashing hillary. boston bean Dec 2016 #9

Is there any form of critique of Hillary's campaign you could accept as legitimate? Ken Burch Dec 2016 #12

Yes, cease saying she is corrupt wallstreet establishment candidate. boston bean Dec 2016 #15

OK. But would you at least agree that she probably shouldn't run again? Ken Burch Dec 2016 #16

She won't run again. boston bean Dec 2016 #20

Thanks for the response. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #22

Bernie for 2020! Joe941 Dec 2016 #79

There is no more value in bashing Hillary than there is Dukakis. And for the same reason. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2016 #31

Oh look, it's another jim jones radical. grossproffit Dec 2016 #34

Yup, that's me. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2016 #46

Well, the rules there prohibited supporting Hillary and the rules here require it. So who were you bettyellen Dec 2016 #51

You don't understand the rules of either place. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2016 #88

JPR let's you say c*nt and n@&$@r but not support the Dem candidate. bettyellen Dec 2016 #91

They are still fighting the primaries over there and screaming how they were rigged against Bernie. LonePirate Dec 2016 #57

Yup La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #71

Some real self-criticism. What do we get instead? Comey! Russia! Sexism! closeupready Dec 2016 #10

You can't dismiss those things.. JHan Dec 2016 #65

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I can't recall much dishonesty from her during campaigning.. JHan Dec 2016 #83

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You can't be for real. JHan Dec 2016 #86

Okay, done with you. Bye! closeupready Dec 2016 #87

"Bernie Bros"! "Bernie stayed in too long!" "He shouldn't've shown up her weaknesses!" JudyM Dec 2016 #100

PLAY IT FORWARD..nt asuhornets Dec 2016 #13

I couldn't agree more with you. One thing that might help mtnsnake Dec 2016 #14

A campaign that doesn't just talk about poverty(as this one did, to its credit)... Ken Burch Dec 2016 #17

Yeah, the sentence where you put the emphasis on the word "THEY" is vital mtnsnake Dec 2016 #28

Ultimately, it's about reconnecting the poor to those of us who AREN'T in the same condition. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #32

You betcha, and there is one word that pretty much sums up that emotion mtnsnake Dec 2016 #36

Thank you for this post ........ Yes there are some exceptions ( I think excptions can be Kathy M Dec 2016 #25

The point you touched upon concerning heroin is worth looking into mtnsnake Dec 2016 #27

Agree .... its the heroin.... Kathy M Dec 2016 #29

Yes and vice-versa. TrekLuver Dec 2016 #30

Remember It's The Economy, Stupid! Wolf Frankula Dec 2016 #19

I immediately heard these lines go through my head in response to your first paragraph: Ken Burch Dec 2016 #21

agree with the above Kathy M Dec 2016 #26

We promote the party platform. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #23

I was saying that throughout the fall campaign, and had been for years before that. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #33

Drain the swamp? NCTraveler Dec 2016 #35

Why are you equating what I posted there with Trumpism? Ken Burch Dec 2016 #44

I was going by your own words. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #67

I don't even THINK the DNC, the DSCC, or the DCCC are "swamps". Ken Burch Dec 2016 #97

Mostly agree. We also need to stop the BS rhetoric that our loss was Sanders/his supporters' fault. JudyM Dec 2016 #101

Agree. For most of them... NCTraveler Dec 2016 #104

Divisions in the party are good, if you want a big change. jake335544 Dec 2016 #38

We need to find a way to have debate without toxicity, though. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #45

We have a racial divide to heal within Democrats Dems to Win Dec 2016 #39

So the problem is black people were mean to Bernie BainsBane Dec 2016 #41

"Whats Millennials Support for Jill Stein and Gary Johnson All About?" BzaDem Dec 2016 #64

So true La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #74

Aww, black leaders and black activists were mean La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #73

If people stopped fighting the primary BainsBane Dec 2016 #40

That's not my goal at all. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #43

Sure seems like it has been your goal for days La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #75

Never has been. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #95

Many are. BainsBane Dec 2016 #102

You sound like you're much more interested in holding grudges than winning future elections. nt mtnsnake Dec 2016 #98

If winning elections is the goal BainsBane Dec 2016 #103

FFS DemonGoddess Dec 2016 #48

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So did Bernie DemonGoddess Dec 2016 #53

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So how is the Canadian PM doing? CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #54

Yep. I'm sick of this shit, it's a ploy. They never appreciated the fact she deserved their support bettyellen Dec 2016 #55

I wasn't saying it was all her fault. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #63

Please try. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #77

I have a few ideas lapfog_1 Dec 2016 #58

The whole country has turned into tribes marlakay Dec 2016 #60

More outreach to rural Dems in purple states (like Obama did), and engage the disengaged. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #66

A common enemy (Trump), time and and the awareness of what is coming. jalan48 Dec 2016 #68

Maybe if some people stopped using right wing La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #70

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... La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #76

Carefully worded LOL betsuni Dec 2016 #80

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Actually, there is almost no one on DU that I actually mistrust DFW Dec 2016 #84

I think that is one of the best posts on this thread mtnsnake Dec 2016 #89

I have no illusions DFW Dec 2016 #90