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2016 Postmortem

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CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 02:37 PM Dec 2016

Yet another reason that Hillary lost [View all]

The new jobs report out today continues the good economic news we have received since since President Obama turned the economy around and got it pointed in the right direction.

However, here is one part of the economy which did not do well over the last 8 years and that is manufacturing. Even the new job report shows a lost of 4K manufacturing jobs last month, and that is a continuation of a long trend.

Who can be blamed - no one really. With automation (primarily) and globalization (which would have happened with or with tariff agreements), a reduction of manufacturing jobs was and is inevitable. Well, that isn't really true - we are all to blame because we all want to pay as little as possible for the products we use.

Hillary's problem was that Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania are three states where ther have been heavy losses in manufacturing jobs, yet the inaccurate polls led everyone to believe those states were in the bag.

The people those states don't want offers of retraining for those who lost their jobs (themselves, family members, neighbors, friends, etc). They want those jobs back because they paid very well, especially for people who have only high school educations or less less. However, it isn't going to happen. And it isn't going to happen precisely because those jobs can done by machines or elsewhere for a lot less money. There are people on those states who are angry because they know those jobs are gone forever.

Apparently there were just enough angry people in the states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, to throw them and the general election into the Trump win column.


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One word...tariffs...we absolutely need those jobs back. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #1
What is the "bowl of rice crowd"? ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #3
It's a slur that a progressive shouldn't use CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #14
I was afraid of that ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #30
You are disappointed that I think you used a slur? CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #36
Xenophobia is at the heart of so-called "populism" radius777 Dec 2016 #28
Tariffs are bad. Subsidize Robots Blue Shoes Dec 2016 #5
We manufacture more in the US now than we have ever done before. The problem is that Squinch Dec 2016 #9
Yep. I've posted before that US manufacturing is basically at an all-time high. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #10
People just aren't ready to hear what that means. It means either, as you say, making life a Squinch Dec 2016 #12
I was listening to Marketplace last night tammywammy Dec 2016 #19
Elon Musk has made some pretty smart statements about this. It is going to be the Squinch Dec 2016 #20
Tarriff have very little to do with job lossses CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #13
so you are for tariffs? No shit we need Tariffs. I bet trade agreements are way better though! JCanete Dec 2016 #27
I don't see certain jobs "coming back" either. ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #2
That story sure sprouted legs big time. Wellstone ruled Dec 2016 #7
Exactly! ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #11
Growing up in Northern Wisconsin Wellstone ruled Dec 2016 #15
I'm from the Pacific Northwest too... Blanks Dec 2016 #34
Want good paying union jobs. So they elect the union busting candidate? ffr Dec 2016 #4
You mean you don't believe people are gullable enough.... CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #16
I know, right! ffr Dec 2016 #24
How do we KNOW for sure that the polls were wrong about those states ... LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #6
And you my friend believe in a conspiracy theory... CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #18
Uh huh ... LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #22
Yep, based all that I have read, he was CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #35
Apparently you have fallen for many conspiracy theories. LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #38
No, most logical people don't fall for conspriricy theories CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #39
Something doesn't seem right and I agree with you. ffr Dec 2016 #25
Honestly neither party has a solution. Automation will soon be taking over white collar jobs too. RAFisher Dec 2016 #8
That's a problem for the future, and the future is closeer than we think CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #17
Post-scarcity, many things could become free/near-free, radius777 Dec 2016 #29
Obama touched on automation in his last STOU speech. joshcryer Dec 2016 #33
It's a lot more complicated than you make it out to be. Exilednight Dec 2016 #21
I mentioned that replies most jobs were lost to automation ... CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #23
I'd like to know the difference, as well, between "outsourcing" a production line to automation ... JHan Dec 2016 #26
Yep, a pipedream CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #31
Manufacturing is not coming back. joshcryer Dec 2016 #32
Agreed CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #37
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