2016 Postmortem

JHan

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56. Trade deals cost us jobs BUT....

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 09:30 AM

Dec 2016

Most critics of NAFTA estimate we lost 750,000- 850,000 jobs due to the deal. Ignoring for a minute, the jobs that were created as a result of NAFTA and the trillions in revenue...

Between 2000-2010 Technology made redundant 5.6 million jobs: http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-griswold-globalization-and-trade-help-manufacturing-20160801-snap-story.html

Attacking trade deals will not stop this trend. What the globalists and elites needed to do was mitigate the harmful effects since the 80's. This wasn't done.

And as manufacturing gets smarter , the job loss will get worse. I asked this yesterday on here, what is the difference between outsourcing a production line to Mexico and "outsourcing" a production line to automation? Nothing - unfortunately the latter happens more frequently and none of candidates this year had an answer for that because these questions weren't even asked.

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Yes, Millennials also cost us the election. [View all] JHan Dec 2016 OP

Mook loved his data more than, say, actual voters. RelativelyJones Dec 2016 #1

She did show up in PA. LisaL Dec 2016 #3

Yes, but there is more to the state than just Philly RelativelyJones Dec 2016 #31

See this post BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #37

She showed up in Michigan. LisaM Dec 2016 #53

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Apparently you did not read this post spooky3 Dec 2016 #83

What is your motivation in making such a blatantly false and ignorant statement? NBachers Dec 2016 #29

Wow! Thank you. Bookmarking to use the next spooky3 Dec 2016 #33

I stand corrected on PA RelativelyJones Dec 2016 #36

Did you look at the post you are responding to? BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #40

Why are you so aggressive? RelativelyJones Dec 2016 #41

The issue is the persistent argument BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #46

I agree. The 50 state strategy should never have been dropped. RelativelyJones Dec 2016 #48

Exactly! BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #51

Yep. It's something I've noticed - I have no data to back it up- but .. JHan Dec 2016 #54

The "data" are the actual results of what happens BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #61

We have to figure out how to stop repug vote suppression in all its forms brush Dec 2016 #89

Don't know if you saw this: ... JHan Dec 2016 #102

Thanks for the links. God! They're even bragging about it. brush Dec 2016 #105

Those are speeches by surrogates and Hillary exboyfil Dec 2016 #106

plus 1 red dog 1 Dec 2016 #109

Then what is your view on why she did so poorly in center Philly RelativelyJones Dec 2016 #123

If you think Pubbies don't know how to rig the vote MaeScott Dec 2016 #126

Nice essay... Mike Nelson Dec 2016 #2

Agree...Good Essay..but? busterbrown Dec 2016 #6

Really would like to hear from the Millennials busterbrown Dec 2016 #4

My Experience otohara Dec 2016 #117

A razor thin loss when we should have beaten the con man by 20 points Dems to Win Dec 2016 #5

Thats what you got? "The Wife busterbrown Dec 2016 #7

Are you kidding me? Dems to Win Dec 2016 #12

She was Senator of New York, what impact did she have in the Rust Belt as Senator of NY.. JHan Dec 2016 #14

Oh I forgot... Hillary Care.. busterbrown Dec 2016 #16

Exactly! We can't have it both ways... JHan Dec 2016 #21

Hillary Never, Ever tried to get Single Payer Health Care Dems to Win Dec 2016 #23

Got Me...Gimme a break. busterbrown Dec 2016 #26

"Managed competition" was the founding father of Obamacare... JHan Dec 2016 #28

When Clinton was elected, we all thought we would get Universal Health Care in the US Dems to Win Dec 2016 #38

So essentially... JHan Dec 2016 #47

Where exactly? jman0war Dec 2016 #62

The Netherlands. .. JHan Dec 2016 #66

Netherlands yes, France No jman0war Dec 2016 #119

The link I shared explained it.. JHan Dec 2016 #120

Please provide a link to back up your 1993 assertion. spooky3 Dec 2016 #81

link Dems to Win Dec 2016 #97

Manufacturing jobs were disappearing since the 70's ,are we gonna give the Reagan era a pass? JHan Dec 2016 #10

You might not blame Hillary for Bill signing NAFTA, but many Ohio voters did Dems to Win Dec 2016 #13

And it is a silly criticism. Period. JHan Dec 2016 #15

It amazes that someone who is concerned with.. busterbrown Dec 2016 #18

Not silly Coolest Ranger Dec 2016 #19

So Hillary signed NAFTA and is responsible for jobs disappearing? JHan Dec 2016 #22

If we don't correctly diagnose why jobs are disappearing we won't make people's lives better.. JHan Dec 2016 #24

Democrats won't win until they understand how bad trade deals and uncontrolled immigration Dems to Win Dec 2016 #34

Trade deals cost us jobs BUT.... JHan Dec 2016 #56

That generation will hopefully learn frazzled Dec 2016 #8

I was part of that generation as well. busterbrown Dec 2016 #25

But I have news for you frazzled Dec 2016 #32

And now your generation voted for Trump NobodyHere Dec 2016 #113

More blame game posts! retrowire Dec 2016 #9

Yes I can do it, I'm a millennial, I get a pass :) JHan Dec 2016 #11

I'm 28. retrowire Dec 2016 #27

So much was at stake this time around, that's hard to get over.. JHan Dec 2016 #30

Well when i see post Coolest Ranger Dec 2016 #17

Were past the productive argument. busterbrown Dec 2016 #20

Agree! check077 Dec 2016 #118

There's a few of them this morning ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #93

Michigan Millenial here BeardofJGarfield Dec 2016 #35

Great post and thanks for sharing... it mirrors what I went through.. JHan Dec 2016 #42

And one other thing I meant to mention BeardofJGarfield Dec 2016 #44

Yep. And it's awful online... JHan Dec 2016 #45

Hm, would you explain/rephrase what you wrote? JudyM Dec 2016 #74

missed this.. JHan Dec 2016 #121

I get you. It's the guy who responded to you that I didn't fully understand... evolution??? JudyM Dec 2016 #122

"the math was on her side , the votes were on her side So I don't want to hear that shit" Omaha Steve Dec 2016 #39

It should surprise no one the favoritism of the DNC... as unnecessary as it was.. JHan Dec 2016 #43

Your reasons don't nullify anything I said in my post either..it is postmortem and opinion Omaha Steve Dec 2016 #50

So hillary told all the Media to focus on Trump? JHan Dec 2016 #52

Hillary did not call Fox News, CNN, MSBNC...all she had to do was talk to Brazille Omaha Steve Dec 2016 #55

I am not living in fantasy land.. JHan Dec 2016 #57

Leaked emails show who Hillary hand picked Omaha Steve Dec 2016 #67

Cable News Media favors ratings.. JHan Dec 2016 #69

Yep 4th time they ran Omaha Steve Dec 2016 #76

you take care, no hard feelings , enjoy your day ;) JHan Dec 2016 #77

plus 1000 red dog 1 Dec 2016 #110

K&R BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #49

that's reassuring! thanks for the info JHan Dec 2016 #59

I was curious about this myself BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #64

Applause. Millennials need to hear this and take responsibility for their childishness decision to politicaljunkie41910 Dec 2016 #58

Pretty tiring Uponthegears Dec 2016 #60

I endorse fully all of that.. JHan Dec 2016 #63

I figured out something similar Uponthegears Dec 2016 #75

Yep.. we shouldn't fear engaging the demons that arose this year and let us know they never left.. JHan Dec 2016 #78

Who is growing the Democrat base? jman0war Dec 2016 #65

"Dems have basically ceded blue collar workers now to the Republicans." BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #96

if I could recommend this single post I would.......... JHan Dec 2016 #100

Remember BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #104

add them to the 'enemies list' NRQ891 Dec 2016 #68

How did you arrive at this from my post? JHan Dec 2016 #70

Dudes doing that all over the place ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #98

Blaming the voters for an election loss is like blaming TV viewers for a series getting cancelled Midwestern Democrat Dec 2016 #71

No I feel comfortable doing it.. JHan Dec 2016 #72

A truly sorry generation of clueless sore heads. oasis Dec 2016 #73

Lawdie, every generation has their clueless ones :) :) JHan Dec 2016 #79

And what fomented the loss of Indys, X-Over Reps and Millennials? HRC selecting Kaine over Sanders TheBlackAdder Dec 2016 #84

I didn't pin responsibility on one group though, note "also" , furthermore... JHan Dec 2016 #85

The classic strawman claim posted within a defensive reply. TheBlackAdder Dec 2016 #86

it's not my fault you didn't see "also" .... JHan Dec 2016 #87

Yes, the flailing stream of conscious prevented me from counting how many times the hands hit water. TheBlackAdder Dec 2016 #88

Well we all have our reasons .. but I don't want to derail the "stream of consciousness" so .. JHan Dec 2016 #90

I knew you'd correct the title length trimming I performed, it's part of one's character. TheBlackAdder Dec 2016 #91

Dems have lost over 900 seats since 2009 jman0war Dec 2016 #94

The GOP establishment is better? JHan Dec 2016 #99

I couldn't agree more red dog 1 Dec 2016 #111

I have a young friend who wrote in "giant meteor" ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #92

*facepalm*.. be careful what you wish for eh ... smh JHan Dec 2016 #95

Sounds right to me. Lyric Dec 2016 #101

In 1968, during the Nixon-Humphrey campaign, guillaumeb Dec 2016 #103

"they should have given it to Bernie" That Guy 888 Dec 2016 #107

Oh that word again "neo-liberal" JHan Dec 2016 #108

No offense, but I don't really care about who you supported 1st, 2nd or 3rd in the primary. That Guy 888 Dec 2016 #125

Stick a pin in it.. JHan Dec 2016 #127

"And the world would have been better without ACA?" That Guy 888 Dec 2016 #128

Millennials voted for Clinton NobodyHere Dec 2016 #112

No Baby boomers are to blame LostOne4Ever Dec 2016 #114

More young people voted for Bernie Sanders than Trump and Clinton combined by a lot portlander23 Dec 2016 #115

I never hung my hat on millennials costing us the election *alone* JHan Dec 2016 #116

And, it's their future Planet.. go figure, JHan Cha Dec 2016 #124