2016 Postmortem

dawg

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55. I really think local politics is the best place to work for change.

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 09:57 AM

Dec 2016

We need to join, and "take-over" if need be, our local Democratic Party organizations. We need to make sure we field qualified candidates for every office, no matter how trivial.

People focus on the Presidential election too much.

If Democrats controlled the majority of state houses, the Congressional districts would not be so gerrymandered. With fair districting, Democrats would currently control the House of Representatives. Trump would be blocked from imposing his domestic agenda.

But, perhaps, Trump wouldn't even be President-elect. Controlling more state houses and governorships would have meant better election laws, more early voting, more polling places in poor neighborhoods, less voter-id laws.

Control things from the bottom-up, and the President becomes an after-thought.

In a way, it's like football. You can have the best quarterback in the world, but if the blocking and tackling isn't good, you're going down.

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The Bernie Support bashing in this forum is disgusting! [View all] ihaveaquestion Dec 2016 OP

We need to take the best from both HRC and BS MaeScott Dec 2016 #1

And what should we do first? Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #11

Change some views metroins Dec 2016 #29

I agree with this. PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #33

So in order to win...we have to give up stopping people from shooting up schools and clean air and Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #110

"we have to give up stopping people from shooting up schools" SMC22307 Dec 2016 #134

+1! BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #82

Exactly. Would you mind reposting that as an OP? Ken Burch Dec 2016 #132

These posters were given free reign to do so during the primaries ... surrealAmerican Dec 2016 #2

Way more Hillary supporter were stalked and banned. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #10

Look around you. surrealAmerican Dec 2016 #14

Some haven't returned to "Site Voltaire*" yet. *Pinebaggers* refer to this site by that name. grossproffit Dec 2016 #20

Since I actually live within BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #84

I'm pretty sure they refer to us as Site Voldemort. :-) n/t seaglass Dec 2016 #135

Absolutely right, but it's falling on extremely deaf ears. JudyM Dec 2016 #143

Yep. grossproffit Dec 2016 #17

So.Not.True. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #56

So true... Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #117

Ha! I personally know at least one poster PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2016 #111

I know several Hillary supporters who are in the same boat...I took a vacation myself. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #116

They weren't banned. They were re-ffr'd after relaxing the rules to allow them back. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2016 #124

It does. Do you actually have numbers of who was stalked, or is that anecdotal? While we're JCanete Dec 2016 #149

Sanders supporters were running this place for months. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #43

Yep sheshe2 Dec 2016 #129

WTH?! What months are you talking about?! JudyM Dec 2016 #145

When was this because I missed it? dae Dec 2016 #155

All true. jack_krass Dec 2016 #60

LOL! Maven Dec 2016 #99

How did you think we would take it BainsBane Dec 2016 #3

"Did you think people would be repeatedly attacked without striking back?" tecelote Dec 2016 #5

I am hoping at the end of this Sanders will be off limits. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #9

Not going to happen. And shouldn't. tecelote Dec 2016 #13

Sanders is not a Democrat and I hope to forget him soon Gothmog Dec 2016 #54

Never forget Bernie and the revolution he started!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #59

So far his revolution has given us Donald Trump WhiteTara Dec 2016 #96

Yes! Hillary was powerless. immoderate Dec 2016 #107

Obviously. WhiteTara Dec 2016 #119

Puh-leeeze!! Bernie's sage revolution helped bring many new young progressives to the party and energize the base... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #164

Pu-leeeeze WhiteTara Dec 2016 #165

Yes, but Bernie is a GOOD politician, one who doesn't come across as slick or the poll-tested, finger-in-the-wind type, and knows how to connect with ordinary folks. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #167

He was slick enough not to expose his finances WhiteTara Dec 2016 #168

A multi-million dollar estate in Westchester County better suits you? SMC22307 Dec 2016 #171

You're right. He's clean as the driven snow. nt WhiteTara Dec 2016 #172

I knew you'd come around. SMC22307 Dec 2016 #173

Bernie will never be the party's nominee Gothmog Dec 2016 #162

NEVER count Bernie out!! Guess we'll find out. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #163

There will be a large number of solid Democrats who will oppose Sanders strongly Gothmog Dec 2016 #170

I respect that, but I think the voters still get to decide... I could be wrong, but we'll see. Not sure if Bernie has another run in him... tho sur hope so! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #174

The voters rejected Sanders by 3 million votes already Gothmog Dec 2016 #180

Maybe it won't happen, but it should Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #115

No one should be off limits... Begabig Dec 2016 #35

We need to put this party together...he is not a Democrat.. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #114

Huh?! A devisive figure?!... Bernie will be our next President!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #58

Bernie will never be president ...he will be 80 next time. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #113

Tell that to the people obsessed with conspiracy theories about the primary BainsBane Dec 2016 #22

You do yourself harm. tecelote Dec 2016 #34

Explain to me BainsBane Dec 2016 #42

Yep. LisaM Dec 2016 #76

WTF are you talking about?? n/t FourScore Dec 2016 #161

"I ... found Hillary Clinton lacking something." Hippie-bashing! Drives people away! betsuni Dec 2016 #4

Democratic Party bashing divides Democrats and Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #8

Exactly. betsuni Dec 2016 #12

I never met a hippie. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #121

. JudyM Dec 2016 #147

Not all Bernie supporters are bad but his Bernie,bros can fuck off👍🏼 stonecutter357 Dec 2016 #6

You can't call people names on DU. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #7

He showed us that you don't need to court MaeScott Dec 2016 #18

the only thing he He showed us is how to lose a primary. stonecutter357 Dec 2016 #23

Yeah, a mere speed bump on her road to defeat. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2016 #40

The only thing Hillary showed us is how to lose a general. TCJ70 Dec 2016 #50

In the end, Bernie was right... guess that's just to hard to accept. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #61

And lose it to the most absurd candidate in American history, no less. n/t QC Dec 2016 #97

Like Hillary in 2008? She also showed us how to lose the GE in 2016. Exilednight Dec 2016 #62

As far as I can tell Bernie divided the Democratic Party Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #109

+1! BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #86

I'm sorry, but is Sanders actually *IN* the Democratic Party? baldguy Dec 2016 #15

Strong debate is good for a party Boomer Dec 2016 #16

Rolling eyes at the snit fits is all the snit fits are worth. MaeScott Dec 2016 #19

After one sees thread after thread blaming Sanders for Hillarys' loss & one even demand an appology think Dec 2016 #88

Are you sure about this...you might have noticed in this era of 'strong debate', we lost everything. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #122

Probably because delusional centrist thought hey what we need is someone to start TheKentuckian Dec 2016 #181

The Bernie "revolution" is a big part of why her untrustworthy numbers were underwater. DanTex Dec 2016 #182

I hope most of it is anger over the election mythology Dec 2016 #21

Most of them do it because it's so much more fun being angry & unproductive than productive mtnsnake Dec 2016 #24

THIS mac56 Dec 2016 #25

I think they would rather point fingers MaeScott Dec 2016 #27

+1 SammyWinstonJack Dec 2016 #28

Right on!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #63

I am neither angry or unproductive ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #92

Yep. OnionPatch Dec 2016 #138

No self-reflection about the obvious contradiction in blaming him for her loss but also touting the JudyM Dec 2016 #150

For the record BainsBane Dec 2016 #26

He showed us that if you have a resonating MaeScott Dec 2016 #30

You don't speak for the 99% BainsBane Dec 2016 #44

Then it should be quite easy for a certain fiery progressives to run for re-election in Vermont lapucelle Dec 2016 #127

I think Hillary would have been a million times better for the 99% than Trump kcr Dec 2016 #140

"get over the primary and move the fuck on" jack_krass Dec 2016 #72

They need to just shut up. bobGandolf Dec 2016 #31

scapegoating will not win us elections jodymarie aimee Dec 2016 #32

As a proud Bernie supporter and Hillary voter, I choose to ignore bashing posts. Vinca Dec 2016 #36

I agree.. time to move on and fight the real threat... BREMPRO Dec 2016 #93

Next time let's annoint someone, skip the primary process, TheCowsCameHome Dec 2016 #37

geez quit treating Bernie like a special snowflake treestar Dec 2016 #38

Only room for one special snowflake on this board. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #39

So true... and they can't even see the hypocrisy!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #65

Apparently so. JudyM Dec 2016 #151

I changed parties just to caucus for him, remained a Dem to support Hillary against Trump even GreenPartyVoter Dec 2016 #41

Don't let a few angry people on the internet make your decisions for you. dawg Dec 2016 #46

I don't know. It may need me, but I don't need the abuse. I may just have to bring back my GreenPartyVoter Dec 2016 #48

Like you, I voted for Bernie in the primaries and Hillary in the general. dawg Dec 2016 #49

I expect this will go on for a while. In the meantime, those of us who want to do something GreenPartyVoter Dec 2016 #51

I really think local politics is the best place to work for change. dawg Dec 2016 #55

Completely agree. We have so much work to do on the local level. Which Bernie has already started JudyM Dec 2016 #153

You want to hear the truth? I'll tell you the truth ... dawg Dec 2016 #45

Agreed. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #53

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #47

Oh FFS... SidDithers Dec 2016 #70

Yep mcar Dec 2016 #80

We Were In Hiding otohara Dec 2016 #90

Well said, Sid. Bobbie Jo Dec 2016 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #78

The thing is... vi5 Dec 2016 #52

Bernie cost us the election. woolldog Dec 2016 #57

How did Bernie lose us the election? Exilednight Dec 2016 #64

Seriously? woolldog Dec 2016 #66

Yes, I am being serious. Either Hillary can deal with the criticism or she can not. If she can not Exilednight Dec 2016 #67

+1000 Maven Dec 2016 #101

"What separates Obama from Hillary?" The fact that his opponent admitted defeat, and supported him LongtimeAZDem Dec 2016 #75

Did you see the same Convention that I did, or watch the same campaign? Exilednight Dec 2016 #81

The Convention was six weeks after he lost the Primary. LongtimeAZDem Dec 2016 #85

Yeah and where was his concession and endorsement? Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #123

You mean the convention where a bunch of his entitled holdouts Maven Dec 2016 #102

The one where he sat, red-faced and angry in the stands? LisaM Dec 2016 #108

Hillary Went All Out For Obama otohara Dec 2016 #148

Bernie Sanders Packs Schedule With Campaign Stops for Hillary Clinton Exilednight Dec 2016 #156

So we need to make sure nobody runs against the Democratic candidate next time. milestogo Dec 2016 #69

Single candidate Primaries and general elections, like all the best dictatorships! GreenPartyVoter Dec 2016 #83

yes, if only we could have avoided having an acutal primary process, that there was the problem. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #141

It's nothing compared to the 8 years of Obama bashing... SidDithers Dec 2016 #68

Attacking voters was counterproductive. Seshat Dec 2016 #71

I'm trashing the postmortem thread in a bit. Why get sucked in to it? mahina Dec 2016 #73

I would have voted for Bernie if he'd won the nomination. Paladin Dec 2016 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #77

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #79

The people who tossed "neoliberal" around so freely are now complaining about "hippie-bashing?" BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #87

He Can't Stop Bashing The Democratic Party Either otohara Dec 2016 #89

Are you reading the responses from Sanders' supporters in your own thread with regards to Hillary? SaschaHM Dec 2016 #91

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #95

Please don't let us detain you. Paladin Dec 2016 #98

When Bernie stops bashing the Democratic Party and acknowledges the role he played Maven Dec 2016 #100

"When . . . (translated) Uponthegears Dec 2016 #106

Psst. Obama's about as "third way" as Hillary Maven Dec 2016 #126

"Hillary's Platform?" Uponthegears Dec 2016 #128

Forced to adopt? Maven Dec 2016 #130

Your arrogance is astounding for a supporter Uponthegears Dec 2016 #137

I agree. CentralMass Dec 2016 #103

Thanks, question. elleng Dec 2016 #104

You talking about responding to Sanders' supporters who have been trashing Clinton since GE. Hoyt Dec 2016 #105

This is why i rarely post. Scruffy1 Dec 2016 #112

Exactly. We lost to TRUMP and people here are in full denial realmirage Dec 2016 #144

I understand where you're coming from. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #158

I have lost track of the posts that blame Bernie for Hillary's losing the election. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2016 #118

It is worse on the other side. duffyduff Dec 2016 #120

According to the forum rules, Bernie is to be accorded the same level of respect as a Democrat. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #160

What is disgusting is that the Postmortem forum is being used as a group to rehash the still_one Dec 2016 #125

Okay, since we don't have a button Uponthegears Dec 2016 #139

Neither Trump nor Sanders are agents of change. J_William_Ryan Dec 2016 #131

No. Change comes from pounding at the gates and making the insiders nervous. JCanete Dec 2016 #166

The term "hippie bashing" is way past its shelf-life. Hekate Dec 2016 #133

Given DU's demographics, shelf life is irrelevant. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #146

Senator Sanders is a great soul. Neither saltpoint Dec 2016 #136

It's reason why Dems will continue to lose. No unity at all. bekkilyn Dec 2016 #142

Oh, there's some unity among Democrats, just not here on this forum. nt mtnsnake Dec 2016 #152

I sincerely hope you are right bekkilyn Dec 2016 #157

If anyone is still dragging Bernie or his supporters underthematrix Dec 2016 #154

These are the same people who blame everyone else except HRC for HRC's loss Larkspur Dec 2016 #159

We support Democrats here. n/t Lil Missy Dec 2016 #169

Has been since the primary budkin Dec 2016 #175

oh gees, what IS YOUR PROBLEM !!!! no one is hating on Bernie. trueblue2007 Dec 2016 #176

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #179

I haven't seen a lot... Mike Nelson Dec 2016 #177

The 2016 primary was baby frolics compared to Obama vs. Clinton, or Dean vs. Edwards vs. Kerry killbotfactory Dec 2016 #178

My post was deleted for supporting Bernie. You can only safely say certain things here. Joe941 Dec 2016 #183