2016 Postmortem

blm

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39. It IS a real one, and pales in comparison to swing state vote suppression,

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 10:11 AM

Dec 2016

4 decades of a worsening media climate, Russia's unprecedented interference that misdirected so many (including media) and FBI's unprecedented interference that media hyped and flat out misdirected the remaining undecided voters.

And still HRC is tallying far more votes than Trump.

There are lots of facets to everything, including posts here at DU.

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Are people underestimating the 'No More Bushes or Clintons' sentiment this election? [View all] NRQ891 Dec 2016 OP

I would say it was a big factor... vi5 Dec 2016 #1

Are you equating the Democrats and Republicans? ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #2

It's about names and personalities, not the parties as such. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #4

Parties as such? ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #8

In other words, it doesn't equate the parties. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #12

Hmm ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #21

Im talking about the public perception of what at one point in time was a likely choice of finalists NRQ891 Dec 2016 #5

Yeah you keep saying that ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #10

because perhaps it's ummmm......TRUE? NRQ891 Dec 2016 #11

Yeah, you keep saying that ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #20

Interesting, but as I recall, Clinton actually won the popular vote. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #3

Plus 1000000000000 ....... Hekate Dec 2016 #7

Thanks. I cannot count that high, but I did just post the following separately: guillaumeb Dec 2016 #13

Thank you.. you'd think she was beat by that many votes they way they talk here nini Dec 2016 #22

Do we decide who wins the World Series or Super Bowl by how many fans they have? Exilednight Dec 2016 #41

By accepting the meme that Clinton "lost", this does two negative things. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #43

They don't. sfwriter Dec 2016 #33

no they are underestimating bigotry JI7 Dec 2016 #6

Clinton got more votes, so no. JI7 Dec 2016 #9

got more votes, but still lost to the most unpopular president-elect in history NRQ891 Dec 2016 #15

It amazes me that people who hated him voted for him. sfwriter Dec 2016 #34

Thanks for the false equivelence Buzz cook Dec 2016 #14

there was nothing false about reality of the perception NRQ891 Dec 2016 #16

No you didn't make it Buzz cook Dec 2016 #17

It was a factor, TheCowsCameHome Dec 2016 #18

Please clap. AngryAmish Dec 2016 #19

It was a big factor but a lot of people just don't like to admit it mtnsnake Dec 2016 #23

Certainly didn't help but part of the general geek tragedy Dec 2016 #24

Absolutely not, because it's a bullshit narrative anyway. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #25

Are you underestimating Russia's interference with this election by overestimating other factors? blm Dec 2016 #26

ok, you've outed me - I'm KGB NRQ891 Dec 2016 #27

... SMC22307 Dec 2016 #31

He seems to be bringing up a single facet... sfwriter Dec 2016 #35

well he seems stupid because based on their record Obama is much more pro free trade JI7 Dec 2016 #37

It IS a real one, and pales in comparison to swing state vote suppression, blm Dec 2016 #39

Bill Clinton had a very high approval rating when he left office, which was nearly 16 years ago. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #28

I always felt this argument was a bit of a setup for Hillary Clinton EffieBlack Dec 2016 #29

I think that sentiment hurt her EXACTLY where she lost the EC. sfwriter Dec 2016 #30

PEOPLE WERE DEMANDING HILLARY CLINTON AS OUR NOMINEE! THAT'S WHY SHE WAS VIRTUALLY THE ONLY CHOICE Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #32

Whatever.. now you have fucking trump.. hope they're smug about that Cha Dec 2016 #36

I don't know who thinks political dynasties are a good idea. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #38

I believe this is true because TrishaJ Dec 2016 #40

I think it's where Trump saw his opportunity NRQ891 Dec 2016 #42