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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: The Dangerous Myth That Hillary Clinton Ignored the Working Class [View all]JCanete
(5,272 posts)32. There are ways in which I think, not Clinton specifically, but the party at large
has continued to fail on economic messaging. One failing is that our policies are never strong enough when they pass to have irrefutably positive results(not that we've had many opportunities). Another is that our leadership is too unwilling to put our congressmen and senators on the spot to back the strong stuff that certainly wouldn't be passable with a republican congress let alone our own hold-outs, but would at least signal a clarity of purpose on populist promises that people could understand. I'd be happy if we stood in resistance to policies too, rather than caving.
This unwillingness is no small consequence of our party's need to either be financed by big industries and their moguls, or at least not run too far afoul of them.
That said, any media perpetuated meme along these lines, carries with it the implicit lie that Trump did these things right. Clinton absolutely had better economic policies than Trump. Her policies were sane ways to nicely get corporations to get on board with throwing the public a bone. That's certainly better than Trump's policies, which suggest bending us over and giving us the bone.
I do agree that when it came down to it, those last 20 years of smearing the Clintons with total bullshit paid off . She couldn't wash all that off her. The reaction is nearly in people's DNA at this point. A lot of people who didn't like Trump were saying for a while that both candidates were absolutely horrible. They are all reconciling their purchase now by saying that we need to give the crazy fucker a chance and that he really is going to make things better, just you wait...but if it hadn't been Clinton, I don't think as many of them would have gone his way.
But then, yeah, there was also an embarrassing media effort, which had a hell of a lot more to do with the effect of Comey's hit-job than Comey's effort itself, not to mention Trump's own rise and brand resilience. AND it should never be forgotten how much voter purges and voter suppression in all of its forms, (and shoddy journalism can largely be blamed for this too), have contributed to the ruin of Democratic chances in America.
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The Dangerous Myth That Hillary Clinton Ignored the Working Class [View all]
Fast Walker 52
Dec 2016
OP
Mind boggling to see liberals parrot this myth. We happily give our opponents BS talking points..
JHan
Dec 2016
#3
I disagree. She talked to them, but not with them. Her other problem was messaging.
Exilednight
Dec 2016
#10
I got to meet Hillary at one of the very first stops on her listening tour in 1999.
lapucelle
Dec 2016
#47
The problem is that Trump didn't ignore them either, and he won over more...
Buckeye_Democrat
Dec 2016
#5
Which Rust Belt location was that? If not in that area it's irrelevant.
NoGoodNamesLeft
Dec 2016
#25
What, are you Kelly Conway? Why did you ignore the question and deflect?
NoGoodNamesLeft
Dec 2016
#43
yeah, Dems really need to stop reacting to RW memes and set their own media narrative
Fast Walker 52
Dec 2016
#36
I think few outside of the faithful were overly impressed with any plans made she went up
TheKentuckian
Dec 2016
#42
There are ways in which I think, not Clinton specifically, but the party at large
JCanete
Dec 2016
#32