I have asked this question several times and haven't gotten anything like a response

[JCanete]

14. But they didn't truly understand the ramifications. They've been manipulated

for a long time about the things that ail them. Some people rail against welfare when they are on it, because they simply don't see the connection. They are lied to so effectively, and their education on these matters, so piss poor, that welfare is something that they only think minorities get.

And it is true, there are people we are never going to be able to win over. They have been indoctrinated to a point that we don't have the tools, access or time to deprogram them. We only need to pull a small percentage of them though to start making a difference, if our policies are designed to make a difference, and that has to mean more than triaging or forestalling suffering.

The angle should never be to try to court these voters by downplaying social justice, but by campaigning loud and hard about the things that they might actually recognize in their own experience--the forces that are fucking with them--and then pointing at the winners, calling out the winners, might at least move a handful of them towards a different solution.