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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Noam Chomsky: Bernie Sanders can win back Donald Trump supporters [View all]JCanete
(5,272 posts)24. As to automation, ABSOLUTELY TRUE. And I was a little frustrated
that Sanders didn't address the realities of the future we were moving towards(though neither did anybody else), and that's either because as far as that goes he's a little too antiquated, or because it wasn't something people were gong to understand. I accepted it because at least what he was proposing we fight for, unions, protectionism, jobs created by infrastructure spending, etc. would stall an inevitable decline, and maybe move us politically on a path to start looking at even more necessary solutions, like Basic Income Guarantee.
Unions, like any body politic are necessary evils, and operate as counter-weights to even bigger forces. They should be policed better by their members. They should have mechanisms for pushing out those that make the institution look bad,but that is rife with complications too, that could fall along discriminatory lines.
I didn't mean personally that this fight should only be taken up by trade unions though, or just workers. Ultimately all of us in the bottom 99% should be teaming up to fight against oligarchy and corporatocracy, towards more than just a safety net, but a better baseline of human rights that extends to food and shelter and life for everybody.
I know its cynical, but giving people a common enemy that puts them on the same side might be the best way to go, and it's only untrue in the respect that rich people are just people, not bad people, and we wouldn't want to have our own Bastille Day. Still, just waiting for white's to finally lose a choke-hold on the mechanisms of power isn't waiting for change, its only waiting for a changing of the guard.
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Noam Chomsky: Bernie Sanders can win back Donald Trump supporters [View all]
portlander23
Dec 2016
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What the fuck is he talking about 'millitant labor movement' overcame racial conflict in the 30's?
bravenak
Dec 2016
#4
mixed bag, the AFL was deeply racist, the CIO and especially the Wobblies did help
Grey Lemercier
Dec 2016
#5
It just pisses me off when they pretend all was wonderful and good within labor unions
bravenak
Dec 2016
#6
whilst I tend to agree with you on this about many white scholars, Chomsky is actually
Grey Lemercier
Dec 2016
#7
That is exactly why I do not understand his failure to remember the war it took to even get
bravenak
Dec 2016
#11
on this we agree totally(I was a Biden supporter until he decided not to run, then was 1000% Hillary
Grey Lemercier
Dec 2016
#13
But the thing is, this was a launch point where black activists could make change by
JCanete
Dec 2016
#15
for what its worth, when I was considering not voting for Clinton, that was my rationale. I'v got to
JCanete
Dec 2016
#27
I agree that it was way better than before but we basically had to start our own unions to get
bravenak
Dec 2016
#21
He can work to have them vote for him in the next primary. The results will be the same.
NCTraveler
Dec 2016
#8