2016 Postmortem

forjusticethunders

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18. None of them are mutually exclusive

Wed Dec 7, 2016, 02:12 PM

Dec 2016

You can only really "cheat" if the election is close (or you can but it'd be too obvious; they've very likely overreached as it is), so you need to do your best to win by enough to make cheating impossible. that goes into 2 and 3. I disagree with 2, and 3a/b (though I'd love to go further to the left). I'd propose a 4 which entails:

4 - We lost, but not because of our candidate or message, but because our messaging and campaign had blind spots, and we didn't allocate our resources properly.

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I am still not quite sure how we lost the election [View all] Peacetrain Dec 2016 OP

the corporate media MythosMaster Dec 2016 #1

party has to broaden its appeal. simple as that. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #2

We have been pulling our hair out since 2010 about this Peacetrain Dec 2016 #7

it's somewhat ironic--Obama had a connection with the very people we would assume geek tragedy Dec 2016 #13

Geek.. I got into it with some posters back in 2008 about this very subject Peacetrain Dec 2016 #15

We got more votes for US House in 2012 dsc Dec 2016 #47

Until we take elections serious during off elections, we will continue this horrid path yeoman6987 Dec 2016 #16

more money donated to Jill Stein for her publicity stunt than geek tragedy Dec 2016 #21

Sad. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #53

Tip O'Neill: "All politics is local." Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #33

Rural and suburban white people voted in historic numbers for the Racist-in-Chief LonePirate Dec 2016 #3

As they did for president obama in 2008 and 2012 yeoman6987 Dec 2016 #17

No. Rural and suburban white voters backed McCain & Romney. LonePirate Dec 2016 #25

Not my rural area. People here haven't voted R for POTUS since 1988. Well... not until this year. PotatoChip Dec 2016 #57

I'm still not convinced we did. MadamPresident Dec 2016 #4

We didn't lose the election. It was a military coup facilitated by underthematrix Dec 2016 #5

Don't forget GummyBearz Dec 2016 #29

Damn. I love people like you. underthematrix Dec 2016 #32

I heard the time travelers voted for the Lizard People. Ace Rothstein Dec 2016 #37

they rigged the vote in WI, MI, and PA putitinD Dec 2016 #6

They rigged the vote in WI, MI, and PA. LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #35

look at how many machines were broken in Detroit, for at least the last 7 years. IMO rigged putitinD Dec 2016 #39

Who rigged it? Travis_0004 Dec 2016 #44

we just learned about it through the recount process. We need paper ballots, hand counted twice. putitinD Dec 2016 #45

You didnt answer the question Travis_0004 Dec 2016 #52

Detroit is a city in receivership, as is Flint, Pontiac, etc., Governor Snyder appointed emergency putitinD Dec 2016 #54

The challenge there is split three ways FBaggins Dec 2016 #8

Laid out very well.. thank you!! Peacetrain Dec 2016 #14

None of them are mutually exclusive forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #18

It's going to be like after Watergate, The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #9

So true.. no one would admit to Nixon.. Peacetrain Dec 2016 #12

Yep. True_Blue Dec 2016 #36

I am seeing a pattern. Baitball Blogger Dec 2016 #10

You have to wonder sometimes.. Peacetrain Dec 2016 #11

Van Jones has some good ideas about how it happened, what we do next Dems to Win Dec 2016 #19

lots of theories. barbtries Dec 2016 #20

there are a million reasons why we lost, and a million reasons why she is now 2.7 million votes La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #22

Why do we continue to play this game? SlimJimmy Dec 2016 #56

"Rebuild"? Nancy Pelosi says people don't want the party to change, so... Binkie The Clown Dec 2016 #23

We didn't lose, it was stolen flamingdem Dec 2016 #24

here's some commentary i think has merit 0rganism Dec 2016 #26

He raises some good points. n/t Tatiana Dec 2016 #50

Lotsa Hillary bashing ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #27

I doubt the country is coming back together. There are far too many people trying to rip the US RKP5637 Dec 2016 #28

too many voters didn't vote or voted 3rd party and now we have what we have beachbum bob Dec 2016 #30

Pretty straightforward: Our candidate won the PV by two points BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #31

Yes, way too much focus on the Presidency here. Ace Rothstein Dec 2016 #38

Here's a map of state legislatures. CrispyQ Dec 2016 #41

I've begged and begged for national Dems to go local, to no avail. The Dem Nay Dec 2016 #58

That's both disappointing and sad. Ace Rothstein Dec 2016 #60

Just as we are expected to acknowledge that Trump is President. (Boy that one is hard to say). LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #34

The EC picked Trump. Rex Dec 2016 #40

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #42

She did finish him off quickly ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #43

It was close enough to steal budkin Dec 2016 #46

Agree. So good to see you again. nt cry baby Dec 2016 #48

A shitload of people voted for trump - for various reasons. Surprising but pretty simple. And jmg257 Dec 2016 #49

Well... Mike Nelson Dec 2016 #51

From where I sit there are several reasons that jump out. Littlered9560 Dec 2016 #55

80,000 Stein votes across 4 battleground states, that's how. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #59