2016 Postmortem

uponit7771

(92,149 posts) Thu Dec 8, 2016, 09:13 AM Dec 2016

Any postmortem without the mention of Comey, voter suppression and Russia being MAJOR factors ... [View all]

... that were a part of Clinton's loss is bout damn useless at this point no?

Comey, Voter Suppression and Russia were the well DOCUMENTED and AGREED upon outside factors regarding this election... THERE'S NO GUESSING ABOUT THEM.... and ignoring them, relative to post election facts, seems to try and give people a false sense of self control and isn't going after something that will truly change future elections.

Even if we agree this outside factors played little part (which I don't agree with that) the fact that the played ANY ... ANY part is fuckin HORRIBLE and should be part of any post analysis.

Facts that aren't in dispute

- If heads of federal agencies are allowed to effect elections (whether for or against DNC) to ANY degree by intimating one of the candidates are being invesitgated for something ... 11 DAYS.. before a general election and while people are early voting then this should be a major part of post election analysis.

- If Voter suppression is allowed in key states, including kicking people off the voter rolls without voters knowing it via some list, then it should be part and mention of any post election analysis

- If outside actor states are allowed to act in benefit of one candidate or the other (no matter who the candidate is) then these factor should be a salient part of any analysis.

Seems like all this "Clinton is ... Bernie is... DNC is... " without a focus on these factors is a distraction

Your take?

tia

P.S. These factors are NOT CONSPIRACY THEORY CRAP (what for the LPC member FUD on this issue) the aforementioned factors are well documented and agreed upon even by Fuck Mouth (his mentioning of one of two of them in Time Magazine)

P.S.S - Voter Suppression ... IS .... IS ... a FORM of election fraud period end of story... that's also a fact not in dispute

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Any postmortem without the mention of Comey, voter suppression and Russia being MAJOR factors ... [View all] uponit7771 Dec 2016 OP

Yeah I can multitask and look at many varied reasons why this year was rough.. JHan Dec 2016 #1

Right, relative to the facts that seems like a distraction too... Clinton's platform was way more uponit7771 Dec 2016 #5

and going with "it's Bernie's fault" narrative because it suits their agenda... progressoid Dec 2016 #9

uh huh JHan Dec 2016 #11

Yet Bernie's whole platform was--Its Hillary's fault! R B Garr Dec 2016 #39

don't know what he gained in going so negative uponit7771 Dec 2016 #40

Agree - and why let GOP off the hook for vote-suppression tactics that should be considered ILLEGAL blm Dec 2016 #2

Don't forget the unceasing and unneeded hearings into about nothing Botany Dec 2016 #3

YES !!! 100,000 million on some fucked up hearings that went no where uponit7771 Dec 2016 #6

But they provided cover for the "Crooked Hillary" meme Botany Dec 2016 #7

Yeap, there's got to be some tactical fight against this from grass roots if the DNC members are.. uponit7771 Dec 2016 #12

Yes, it's no coincidence that Roy Cohn nurtured Trump and Tanuki Dec 2016 #23

It used to be if you were linked to Roy Cohn, the mob, fraudulent scams, and sexual assualt then ... Botany Dec 2016 #24

Agree with all you said! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #4

K&R mcar Dec 2016 #8

Spot on! Pacifist Patriot Dec 2016 #10

Yeap, with voter suppression 18 isn't looking too good seems DNC can make that a platform issue uponit7771 Dec 2016 #13

Thank you, uponit. Yeah, Reality! Cha Dec 2016 #14

totally agree.... dhill926 Dec 2016 #15

To those three, the media must be added. NRaleighLiberal Dec 2016 #16

And 'social media' c. 3.8 million pre-election Tweets were chatbots ... Aimee in OKC Dec 2016 #18

Yes, I think its politico that had an article that there was 3 times as much coverage of her non uponit7771 Dec 2016 #22

Voter suppression GummyBearz Dec 2016 #17

Not so IMO. Without voter suppression she would have won the popular vote by even more. brush Dec 2016 #20

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2016 #36

With the EC in mind VS measures don't have to be widespread just in states that effect the outcome uponit7771 Dec 2016 #21

Don't forget to add KPN Dec 2016 #19

except ALL Dem candidates are vulnerable. The media and GOP are aligned institutionally to Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #25

Already covered here over and over and over but ignore the factors in the OP Justice Dec 2016 #26

Opinion and not fact, the three mentioned are FACT BASED factors not what I or you think about them uponit7771 Dec 2016 #27

BS. They are all fact based ... and you know it. KPN Dec 2016 #41

and misogyny niyad Dec 2016 #28

If you are including Comey then you have to include s mythology Dec 2016 #29

I'm including Comey because he was clearly in the wrong that's not opinion. Clinton's email uponit7771 Dec 2016 #30

The two letters that tanked her 11 days before the elected were based on NOTHING. SunSeeker Dec 2016 #31

+1 YES!!.... the fact that Comey injected himself into the election isn't disputed by both sides ... uponit7771 Dec 2016 #33

Absolutely . . . and if we don't get it fixed or working at fixing the problems liberals will be Liberal In Red State Dec 2016 #32

yeap, we can run the best candidates on the planet ... with voter suppression they win uponit7771 Dec 2016 #34

Pretending it's anything else lets THEM frame the narrative. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #35

Clinton didn't do what she needed to do in the Rust Belt. The other factors KittyWampus Dec 2016 #37

That's opinion, GOP voter suppression efforts are well documented and not in dispute uponit7771 Dec 2016 #38

knr triron Dec 2016 #42