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Coyotl

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22. "This means that if the election were held 100 times" should be if the poll were conducted 100x
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 10:15 AM
Dec 2016

Then the pollster would be confident of matching the election result to within the margin of error 95% of the time.

When the poll and the vote count are outside the margin of error it means there is almost no chance at all that randomness can explain the deviation. There has to be another explanation. One possibility is the vote result is not true. The other possibility is to polling is defective. When you compare 2004 and 2016, you have to ask why would the same polling methods suddenly produce double the error.



Same states with the same Senate races and the same pollster using the same methods, but in 2012 they are off by twice as much plus the greatest error is in Republican-dominated states. In states with Democrats in the Secretary of State position, the election results and polling match much better. In states where the republicans were losing by the widest margins in the polls, the exit polling shows the largest red shift. The red shift even matches how much the election had to swing for Republicans to win.

In the graph above, if the trendlines were flat and matched zero, the exit polls would all be averaging precise and red/blue states would not bias the result. What we have instead is a pronounced red shift in almost every state. The odds of that happening are astronomical.

The battleground states had the most robust polling. This is seen in the match to the pre-election polling. What are the odds all those many polls are also off by the same amount?

A wise gambler would bet the election was rigged if they knew the truth could be shown. A wise politician knows that once an election is successfully stolen, there's about zero chance of proving it, we are just left with these exit polls for solace.

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Bookmarking! Thanks! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #1
Bookmarking underpants Dec 2016 #2
Still don't get this - at 8pm Nov 8 in PA, there were 2613 respondents, and HRC is up. jmg257 Dec 2016 #3
I wish I could understand this stuff. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2016 #4
he's showing a probability dome Takket Dec 2016 #10
You lost me at "probability dome" Pacifist Patriot Dec 2016 #14
good analogy triron Dec 2016 #15
Are those states falling outside of confidence level Voter Suppression states? tia uponit7771 Dec 2016 #19
That hardly matters since the exit polls survey only voters. Coyotl Dec 2016 #23
"This means that if the election were held 100 times" should be if the poll were conducted 100x Coyotl Dec 2016 #22
Looks like presidency + 2 or 3 senate seats stolen. triron Dec 2016 #5
Yes! This! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #13
Exactly, just enough to alter the balance of power, and in just the right places too. Coyotl Dec 2016 #24
knr triron Dec 2016 #6
KnR! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #7
K & R Coyotl Dec 2016 #8
why are only 28 states shown in figure 1? Takket Dec 2016 #9
I believe that is all the states triron Dec 2016 #11
That's how many unadjusted exit polls were shown election night Coyotl Dec 2016 #17
The evidence that might show up would probably be in the voting machines triron Dec 2016 #12
Enough of the circular firing squad flamingdem Dec 2016 #16
+1, Comey, Voter suppression, Russia... uponit7771 Dec 2016 #20
you got it right triron Dec 2016 #21
knr triron Dec 2016 #18
Edit: "... Unadjusted Exit Poll Discrepancies Fit Chronic Republican Vote-Count Rigging ..." Coyotl Dec 2016 #25
knr triron Dec 2016 #27
"unexplained increases" Republican chicanery against America Achilleaze Dec 2016 #26
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