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sweetapogee

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14. this is not 1861
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 03:33 PM
Dec 2016

I think secession could, in theory be accomplished. When South Carolina seceded, the confederacy decided to keep federal property in the state for itself. So you have a state helping itself to federal property. Lincoln was trying to supply Fort Sumter, the SC militia was trying to starve the federal soldiers out. One of my ancestors was Lincoln's last ditch agent sent to try to work out a supply deal with the State of South Carolina. He was unable to accomplish his mission, thus began the shooting.

So, in my opinion, a state like CA could secede with the blessing of the federal government if they either forfeit federal property or compensate for it. Also, there would have to be agreements to allow shipping ports to remain viable and secure for the rest of the countries benefit. I do not believe that CA or any other state for that matter is in any kind of financial position to pull this off as it would be a massive expense.

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It is understandable, but selfish. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #1
Don't get me wrong, I will still work for progressive issues, donate to the ACLU, Planned Parenthood still_one Dec 2016 #6
No doubt. And my comment should not have been taken as being meant in a personal sense. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #7
I know. The whole west coast probably. I am really angry and sick to my heart what happened, and still_one Dec 2016 #8
I live in Illinois, a reliably blue state. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #9
We have patches her in California too, the San Joaquin Valley, and Orange County. Illinois has still_one Dec 2016 #12
I am dead serious when i say this..... Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #2
Not sure if we could do it. I think it would require an amendment to the Constitution. still_one Dec 2016 #4
Secession itself will be an unconstitutional act, and in order to not turn into Civil War part 2 Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #11
this is not 1861 sweetapogee Dec 2016 #14
There is no process allowing for secession. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #10
I replied to this above, as you were typing Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #13
If they start forcing their shit on California I'll be moving taught_me_patience Dec 2016 #15
Are you prepared to finance, and raise a standing Army... philosslayer Dec 2016 #16
"resulting in an incumbency rate of 96.7%." - but, but, anti-establishment!! TwilightZone Dec 2016 #17
I'm in WA MFM008 Dec 2016 #3
The Democratic coalition in Calilfornia said they would do everything to offset any cuts to programs still_one Dec 2016 #5
Same for me here in Oregon. West coast is best coast. :) aidbo Dec 2016 #18
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