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JCanete

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18. Do you really believe that change can come about from the inside? What is the impetus for that
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:33 PM
Dec 2016

change?

No doubt, we need people inside who want to effect change, but they are powerless to do so without a convincing argument that the people up in their tower need to change. Generally that convincing argument is something like pitchforks, or the threat of pitchforks. I'd rather the castle not get stormed, because revolutions tend to replace what existed with something just as bad or worse, but our system of government IS corrupt. Our democratic leadership isn't equipped or clean enough to call it out on the other side. Whether they have better intentions than the GOP is not at issue. Whether they are getting us closer to those goals is.

what is a losing strategy is pretending that we can keep playing the game the way it has been rigged to be played, and get better results.

But what is dishonest about saying money corrupts...that politicians need money to run and favor not to be destroyed by a corporate owned media? Isn't there something dishonest about saying that our democratic leaders are above these primal forces? Do you really believe that they are?

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"to promote his book" R B Garr Dec 2016 #1
OMG, the doors to the party ARE and HAVE BEEN FOR AGES open to working people, young people boston bean Dec 2016 #2
Why have young voters been appethetic then? sfwriter Dec 2016 #4
So this is the first election young voters have been apathetic? REALLY?! uponit7771 Dec 2016 #5
They weren't apathetic in the primary, where Sanders won more under30's than HRC and DT combined. JudyM Dec 2016 #6
The fact he was able to do that ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #8
Well, that's one perspective. JudyM Dec 2016 #12
No, this election is the exception... sfwriter Dec 2016 #20
Because they take for granted what is actually very fragile. Trump will fix that. BzaDem Dec 2016 #11
The party or democracy? sfwriter Dec 2016 #21
The doors were open to everyone GummyBearz Dec 2016 #7
Keep trying...nt SidDithers Dec 2016 #3
YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT!!!%(#)%*@@!! nt JTFrog Dec 2016 #9
He's right about more progressive voices, but his campaign strategy did not help matters. kcr Dec 2016 #10
Hey Bernie, did you see what Clinton ran on and her platform? NCTraveler Dec 2016 #13
In order to have your voice heard, you have WhiteTara Dec 2016 #14
The problem is the GOP finds it easier to recruit because they encourage their pols to bettyellen Dec 2016 #15
but they don't just have good working relationships with non-profits. Building coalitions with JCanete Dec 2016 #16
Sounds like you're happy they'll be pitchforks in our future? bettyellen Dec 2016 #17
Do you really believe that change can come about from the inside? What is the impetus for that JCanete Dec 2016 #18
I think some are honest and others not so much. I also think what some see as dishonest or not bettyellen Dec 2016 #19
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