2016 Postmortem

ZoomBubba

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30. We need hard evidence ...

Fri Dec 9, 2016, 01:48 PM

Dec 2016

... not insinuation and belief. If you can't prove it, or at least have something material to make a strong case, you're just engaging in conspiracy theory. You need something that you can show someone that can't be knocked down by a simple "prove it."

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Hey! Remember when Trump abruptly stopped campaigning in Swing states [View all] LaydeeBug Dec 2016 OP

But, but mcar Dec 2016 #1

I must have missed the CNN thing? Blanks Dec 2016 #2

Corey Lendowski- double dipping by getting paid by both CNN and Trump- seen getting off the Trump bettyellen Dec 2016 #6

Very true, actually. Unreality is the new reality, R B Garr Dec 2016 #3

+1 nt NCTraveler Dec 2016 #4

Not only that, we must beat OURSELVES up and become more like Squinch Dec 2016 #5

Everything you learned about being a decent human being is now void. VOX Dec 2016 #7

The media is most to blame for this mess. No doubt about it. nt Lucky Luciano Dec 2016 #8

The media picked all of our candidates quakerboy Dec 2016 #9

hey, remember when cheeto's first campaign manager (recruited him to run?) mopinko Dec 2016 #10

if we could only power the world on lies. MythosMaster Dec 2016 #16

K&R betsuni Dec 2016 #11

Oh, there's a few things missing from that list. byronius Dec 2016 #12

"I did not say this... They_Live Dec 2016 #13

Great post. LisaM Dec 2016 #14

Thank you for that. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #23

it should not have been close enough to steal certainot Dec 2016 #15

It wasn't. They had to resort to suppression *AND hacking, *AND* the FBI becoming a de facto arm of LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #17

Yep. nt duffyduff Dec 2016 #18

it was close enough to steal is my point. many issues like global warming are certainot Dec 2016 #19

stop blaming the victim, "if he was close enough to hit you, you deserve to be battered" LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #21

i'm blaming dems/left/liberals for the biggest political mistake in history certainot Dec 2016 #22

The thing is, there is no smoking gun for hacking ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #28

The thing is...framing the narrative as though we need to have smoking guns is only LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #29

We need hard evidence ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #30

When all 19 intel agencies say it was a Russian hack, I have no idea how much MORE proof you need LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #31

No intelligence agency has claimed that Russia directly changed the vote count ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #32

Aaaah..."directly changed the vote count" is *your* metric, I see. LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #33

You haven't decided a metric ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #34

Do you believe they weren't? nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #35

I haven't seen evidence ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #36

So you don't think they were? nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #37

Are you trying to avoid my question ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #38

As it seems you are trying to avoid mine... LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #39

I asked first. You should answer. ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #40

ABC News: "Russian hackers targeted nearly half of states' voter registration systems... spooky3 Dec 2016 #41

I don't think that no one doubts they were poking around ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #43

I think this is why McCain is right about needing spooky3 Dec 2016 #44

I agree ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #45

It's not a matter of being optimistic or pessimistic spooky3 Dec 2016 #46

How can this be said after the EMPIRICAL data of Russia hacking and voter suppression unless you uponit7771 Dec 2016 #24

if the polls show them down 10 or 20, which would be closer to certainot Dec 2016 #25

Gotta be careful with the conspiracy talk. Rex Dec 2016 #20

Remember when every newspaper and all the former Presidents and their families ... Botany Dec 2016 #26

It's strange how quickly the narrative changes ucrdem Dec 2016 #27

Thank you, LaydeeBug! Cha Dec 2016 #42