2016 Postmortem

ZoomBubba

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32. No intelligence agency has claimed that Russia directly changed the vote count ...

Fri Dec 9, 2016, 02:01 PM

Dec 2016

... and nobody is denying they hacked into email servers or was behind the fake news. Influencing and directly tampering are separate issues. The claim that they outright changed election results just doesn't have any hard evidence to support it, just speculation and belief.

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Hey! Remember when Trump abruptly stopped campaigning in Swing states [View all] LaydeeBug Dec 2016 OP

But, but mcar Dec 2016 #1

I must have missed the CNN thing? Blanks Dec 2016 #2

Corey Lendowski- double dipping by getting paid by both CNN and Trump- seen getting off the Trump bettyellen Dec 2016 #6

Very true, actually. Unreality is the new reality, R B Garr Dec 2016 #3

+1 nt NCTraveler Dec 2016 #4

Not only that, we must beat OURSELVES up and become more like Squinch Dec 2016 #5

Everything you learned about being a decent human being is now void. VOX Dec 2016 #7

The media is most to blame for this mess. No doubt about it. nt Lucky Luciano Dec 2016 #8

The media picked all of our candidates quakerboy Dec 2016 #9

hey, remember when cheeto's first campaign manager (recruited him to run?) mopinko Dec 2016 #10

if we could only power the world on lies. MythosMaster Dec 2016 #16

K&R betsuni Dec 2016 #11

Oh, there's a few things missing from that list. byronius Dec 2016 #12

"I did not say this... They_Live Dec 2016 #13

Great post. LisaM Dec 2016 #14

Thank you for that. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #23

it should not have been close enough to steal certainot Dec 2016 #15

It wasn't. They had to resort to suppression *AND hacking, *AND* the FBI becoming a de facto arm of LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #17

Yep. nt duffyduff Dec 2016 #18

it was close enough to steal is my point. many issues like global warming are certainot Dec 2016 #19

stop blaming the victim, "if he was close enough to hit you, you deserve to be battered" LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #21

i'm blaming dems/left/liberals for the biggest political mistake in history certainot Dec 2016 #22

The thing is, there is no smoking gun for hacking ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #28

The thing is...framing the narrative as though we need to have smoking guns is only LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #29

We need hard evidence ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #30

When all 19 intel agencies say it was a Russian hack, I have no idea how much MORE proof you need LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #31

No intelligence agency has claimed that Russia directly changed the vote count ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #32

Aaaah..."directly changed the vote count" is *your* metric, I see. LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #33

You haven't decided a metric ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #34

Do you believe they weren't? nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #35

I haven't seen evidence ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #36

So you don't think they were? nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #37

Are you trying to avoid my question ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #38

As it seems you are trying to avoid mine... LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #39

I asked first. You should answer. ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #40

ABC News: "Russian hackers targeted nearly half of states' voter registration systems... spooky3 Dec 2016 #41

I don't think that no one doubts they were poking around ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #43

I think this is why McCain is right about needing spooky3 Dec 2016 #44

I agree ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #45

It's not a matter of being optimistic or pessimistic spooky3 Dec 2016 #46

How can this be said after the EMPIRICAL data of Russia hacking and voter suppression unless you uponit7771 Dec 2016 #24

if the polls show them down 10 or 20, which would be closer to certainot Dec 2016 #25

Gotta be careful with the conspiracy talk. Rex Dec 2016 #20

Remember when every newspaper and all the former Presidents and their families ... Botany Dec 2016 #26

It's strange how quickly the narrative changes ucrdem Dec 2016 #27

Thank you, LaydeeBug! Cha Dec 2016 #42