2016 Postmortem

frazzled

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104. You've got it a** backward

Fri Dec 9, 2016, 03:29 PM

Dec 2016

Ignorance WON (along with the open embrace or willingness to overlook shocking bigotry, counterfactual thinking, utter incompetence, and snake oil). There is nothing wrong with our party. The ignorance is on the other side, as well as with those who equate losing the electoral college (while winning the popular vote by some 2.7 million informed voters) as a "cluster-f*ck of ignorance" on our side.

That said, to the extent that nobody and no institution is perfect, the Democratic Party of course has issues it can improve. But they are NOTHING compared with what is wrong with the other party, or—I dare say—those who threaten to storm away in a hissy fit.

The contents of the post to which I reply is an example why I am sooooo sick of these armchair analyses and holier-than-thou critics. I'd be happy for them to leave the party and start a new one. Their constant criticism of the Democratic party, the current president, and our recent Democratic candidate is a huge part of the reason that Donald Trump is president. It's a cluster-f*ck of ignorance indeed.

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Schumer had one question: Is Bernie coming? [View all] portlander23 Dec 2016 OP

Better Question RoccoR2 Dec 2016 #1

Wow, skilled at flying below the radar lostnfound Dec 2016 #7

Are you talking about Bernie? n/t RoccoR2 Dec 2016 #10

... SammyWinstonJack Dec 2016 #58

Right, and nothing like elevating trivia. elleng Dec 2016 #65

Stop ...... there is no need for your statement . If Bernie does , great it will be his Kathy M Dec 2016 #44

Why ? RoccoR2 Dec 2016 #48

Tis not offensive ( to me ) Kathy M Dec 2016 #59

Be careful what you ask...... HenryWallace Dec 2016 #64

Are you saying today's Dem Party is following the path of the Whigs? RoccoR2 Dec 2016 #67

You might be interested in this from the owner of this website. MelissaB Dec 2016 #80

Yes... Interesting RoccoR2 Dec 2016 #82

nope. sfwriter Dec 2016 #92

Because that D is the most important thing of all LiberalLovinLug Dec 2016 #96

Ho Hum Me. Dec 2016 #2

Well there aren't many on the left making any news. NWCorona Dec 2016 #24

Why look at you, me. There you go again. Bless your heart. hedda_foil Dec 2016 #119

Interesting. Is Schumer saying we need to abandon "Identity Politics?" jalan48 Dec 2016 #3

The way it's going ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #5

One economic message won't work. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #9

+1 RoccoR2 Dec 2016 #11

I think fracturing our message is why we lost in 2016. jalan48 Dec 2016 #18

No, turnout is why we lost in 2016. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #21

We lost to the worst Presidential candidate ever. What does that say about us? jalan48 Dec 2016 #23

It says that some people didn't take the threat of Trump seriously enough. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #42

Schumer is one of the two most powerful Democrats in Congress. jalan48 Dec 2016 #43

No, he really isn't. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #46

We shall see. jalan48 Dec 2016 #53

"some people didn't take the threat of Trump seriously enough." Uhhh... MadDAsHell Dec 2016 #57

Oh, please. Some of them slunk off to their little corner of the internet... TwilightZone Dec 2016 #81

+++1 berksdem Dec 2016 #89

How quickly we forget about those "Concern Trolls" that didn't join the chorus. jalan48 Dec 2016 #91

absolutely!! berksdem Dec 2016 #93

Amen. It was embarassing, painful, humiliating, all of the above. But we've got to swallow... MadDAsHell Dec 2016 #98

100% berksdem Dec 2016 #99

voter suppression is why we lost. mopinko Dec 2016 #34

I agree with what you say, though it should never have been close to start with. jalan48 Dec 2016 #37

it wouldnt have been. they suppressed 10 times as many votes as we needed. mopinko Dec 2016 #41

I think the point is that the win should have been by 20% or more. nt Lucky Luciano Dec 2016 #73

Exactly. If Hillary couldn't beat Trump who could she beat? jalan48 Dec 2016 #97

the flaw in your argument is: JHan Dec 2016 #103

Fair enough, but how can Trump be the most disliked Presidential candidate ever if this is true? jalan48 Dec 2016 #106

She had extremely high positives a few years ago. Then the McCarthyism began. If Bernie Sanders or StevieM Dec 2016 #109

Her unlikeability is really bewildering to me.. JHan Dec 2016 #110

I agree. The media ampped her shortcomings while ignoring Trump's. jalan48 Dec 2016 #111

Yes I think he is, Trump is a Corporatist Wet Dream ----- JHan Dec 2016 #113

Agree .... Kathy M Dec 2016 #45

This promotion of Sanders ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #4

Tough to trust a guy with long track record of looking out for the little guy lostnfound Dec 2016 #8

I isn't a subset of D TwilightZone Dec 2016 #12

Joe Lieberman was/is one of those subsets RoccoR2 Dec 2016 #13

Absolutely misses the point. immoderate Dec 2016 #15

Yes I do see a difference. However RoccoR2 Dec 2016 #19

And Hillary's run? immoderate Dec 2016 #27

Thanks for making my point RoccoR2 Dec 2016 #51

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #63

That speaks for itself RoccoR2 Dec 2016 #70

That would be irrelevant to the point TwilightZone Dec 2016 #17

Yes ...... Kathy M Dec 2016 #47

You said it! Thank you! Bernie gives us the best of ALL POSSIBLE WORLDS!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #31

As Far As I Can Tell Me. Dec 2016 #39

Certainly his votes against the Brady Bill weren't about looking out for us. nt SunSeeker Dec 2016 #68

Most popular senator among his own constituents. Must be tough to find fault. Nt lostnfound Dec 2016 #117

Not really. Pretty easy actually. nt SunSeeker Dec 2016 #118

Is party loyalty more important than the public interest? immoderate Dec 2016 #14

All that matters is the team jersey. QC Dec 2016 #16

Under Trump's administration, party loyalty on the D side *is* the public interest. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #20

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #22

Ah, both sides are bad. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #25

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #28

Nope. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #49

Our bankers are better than their bankers? immoderate Dec 2016 #66

If you think both sides are bad, you're on the wrong website. -nt Bradical79 Dec 2016 #114

The Democrats are the party of the public interest ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #38

Public interest is always first ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #30

Sanders is part of the leadership ...... think of it lie a three leg stool Kathy M Dec 2016 #52

I have no problem with his voice ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #61

I understand the " D " part ..... but right now I do not think it is anything Kathy M Dec 2016 #62

I agree! murielm99 Dec 2016 #85

"...Trump essentially co-opted his script..." sfwriter Dec 2016 #94

He used Sanders' script to tie Hillary to big businesses ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #95

she tied herself to big business gator108 Dec 2016 #112

Yet, she won ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #121

"theyll need to reclaim the populism Trump stole in 2016." ucrdem Dec 2016 #6

Goddess save us from white male mentality. WhiteTara Dec 2016 #26

Schumer, Sanders with the smarmy Milbank carrying water. lapucelle Dec 2016 #29

... WhiteTara Dec 2016 #35

I wouldn't read too much into this article. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #55

I repeat WhiteTara Dec 2016 #79

Indeed. nt SunSeeker Dec 2016 #69

Perfectly said trc Dec 2016 #76

In January Schumer will become of the two most powerful Democrats in all of Congress. jalan48 Dec 2016 #32

"the populist insurgent who nearly beat Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primaries"... SidDithers Dec 2016 #33

Yeah, Sid, that hit me too. WhiteTara Dec 2016 #36

Takeaway line: "Sanders didnt come." frazzled Dec 2016 #40

its about time I hear those words elmac Dec 2016 #50

+1 Kathy M Dec 2016 #60

So why didn't Sanders go? Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #54

I fear Trump's environmental agenda much more than his economic one paulkienitz Dec 2016 #56

Hillary in hiding, Bernie is the Leader we needed and wanted all along.... joanbarnes Dec 2016 #71

Why didn't Bernie go to the meeting with Schumer? SunSeeker Dec 2016 #74

Why Start Now Me. Dec 2016 #84

That answer would require having read the article. grossproffit Dec 2016 #105

The article does not state why Bernie didn't come. SunSeeker Dec 2016 #115

A leader would have been able to persuade his followers not to vote third party. lapucelle Dec 2016 #116

And the answer to that question turned out to be a big fat NO. nt SunSeeker Dec 2016 #72

Sigh, "who nearly beat Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primaries"... no he didn't. The "fake" news uponit7771 Dec 2016 #75

Bernie for 2020! Joe941 Dec 2016 #77

We need vision that focuses on the links between these issues, rather than segmenting them. suffragette Dec 2016 #78

He nearly beat Hillary Clinton? murielm99 Dec 2016 #83

It's going to become increasingly clear with Trump's cabinet that... SaschaHM Dec 2016 #86

Trump didn't steal our populism bucolic_frolic Dec 2016 #87

this thread is a prime berksdem Dec 2016 #88

You've got it a** backward frazzled Dec 2016 #104

Lol... berksdem Dec 2016 #120

yeah right rtracey Dec 2016 #90

Does it matter? ymetca Dec 2016 #100

He needs Bernie to teach him how to be a pre-Reagan Democrat. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #108

"nearly beat Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primaries" LexVegas Dec 2016 #101

"who nearly beat Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primaries." NCTraveler Dec 2016 #102

We've got Dems who are PROUD to have Wall Street on their side. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #107