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2016 Postmortem

CajunBlazer

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25. It was only politicians and talking heads, not voters, who have said....

Reply to bettyellen (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 9, 2016, 05:37 PM

Dec 2016

that the Democrats were "too invested in "identity politics". Ordinary voters don't talk in those terms.

What ordinary voters in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania (who normally would have Democratic) have said is that they were tired of losing jobs to outsourcing to other countries and automation (which a President can do little about) and that they believed Trump's lies about bring jobs back to this country. They believed those lies because that is what they wanted to here.

Perhaps you are saying that Hillary should have lied to the voters as well?

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If we are to believe conventional wisdom [View all] boston bean Dec 2016 OP

The white working class isn't about working class. It's about racism and sexism. nt LexVegas Dec 2016 #1

ya think? boston bean Dec 2016 #2

Even the ones who voted for Obama twice? n/t RoccoR2 Dec 2016 #4

You think sexists don't vote for men? LexVegas Dec 2016 #5

How many voted for Obama twice and then Trump. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #8

Just 2 links of many RoccoR2 Dec 2016 #10

Neither link factually backs up the claim. At all. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #16

That is your interpretation obviously RoccoR2 Dec 2016 #17

It's not an interpretation. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #19

Of course it isn't because it is flat-out propaganda. duffyduff Dec 2016 #30

Not buying it at all. duffyduff Dec 2016 #29

Here are the actual voting results for Trumbull county Ohio for all 3 presidential elections. think Dec 2016 #31

This may interest you RoccoR2 Dec 2016 #35

Was there an overt racist and sexist running against Obama? tia uponit7771 Dec 2016 #9

PPP poll just showed 95% of Trump voters hate Obama. They also believe the stock market has been bettyellen Dec 2016 #23

Few did. n/t duffyduff Dec 2016 #28

"Trump gave them a choice between multiracial democracy and white primacy." Garrett78 Dec 2016 #34

+1! eom BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #6

Moving more to the right will get us nowhere fast NWCorona Dec 2016 #3

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2016 #11

Really, do you really believe that the independents who decide Presidential elections CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #12

Absolutely not. I didn't say we should swing that way either NWCorona Dec 2016 #13

I don't know about whether socialism is scary, but not it's not popular CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #14

To be honest I'm surprised the numbers are that high. NWCorona Dec 2016 #15

"To be honest I'm surprised the numbers are that high." NCTraveler Dec 2016 #20

The vast majority of "independents" are party loyalists who just like the term "independent." Garrett78 Dec 2016 #32

And millions more showed up to the polls for us. Many because of our message. nt. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #7

Who claims we lost swing states for not moving to the right? aikoaiko Dec 2016 #18

Loads of people who say we're too invested in "identity politics" is who. bettyellen Dec 2016 #24

It was only politicians and talking heads, not voters, who have said.... CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #25

And people here repeating that nonsense. Hate that RW framing myself. bettyellen Dec 2016 #26

That's not the same thing as moving to the right. aikoaiko Dec 2016 #27

Well, our conventional wisdom has always sucked. Too little too late is not necessarily a win. JCanete Dec 2016 #21

K&R mcar Dec 2016 #22

The TPP was supported by almost the entire GOP in congress & corporations. The overwhelming majority think Dec 2016 #33