2016 Postmortem

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31. Here are the actual voting results for Trumbull county Ohio for all 3 presidential elections.

Fri Dec 9, 2016, 10:05 PM

Dec 2016

Trumbull county is one of the areas in the rust belt that showed significant losses for the Democrats.

Obama won twice with over 60% of the vote and over 60,000 votes each time.

Clinton lost getting only 44.8% of the vote and getting only 42,130 votes.

Obama won Trumbull county with 60% of the vote in 2008

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/states/president/ohio.html

60.0% of total votes reported in Trumbull

Obama 62,254 votes
McCain 39,319 votes

In 2012 Obama won with 60.6% of the vote:

Obama 61,672 votes

Romney 38,279 votes

http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2016/06/2012_ohio_presidential_electio.html

In 2016 Clinton lost getting only 44.8% of the vote.

Trump 48,152 votes
Clinton 42,130 votes

http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/ohio/

Clinton had over 19,000 less votes than Obama got in each of the 2 previous elections. And Trump gained around 10,000 votes compared to the other 2 elections.

How did Hillary Clinton get over 19,000 less votes than Obama got in 2008 & 2012 while Trump gained around 10,000 votes compared to 2008 & 2012?

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If we are to believe conventional wisdom [View all] boston bean Dec 2016 OP

The white working class isn't about working class. It's about racism and sexism. nt LexVegas Dec 2016 #1

ya think? boston bean Dec 2016 #2

Even the ones who voted for Obama twice? n/t RoccoR2 Dec 2016 #4

You think sexists don't vote for men? LexVegas Dec 2016 #5

How many voted for Obama twice and then Trump. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #8

Just 2 links of many RoccoR2 Dec 2016 #10

Neither link factually backs up the claim. At all. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #16

That is your interpretation obviously RoccoR2 Dec 2016 #17

It's not an interpretation. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #19

Of course it isn't because it is flat-out propaganda. duffyduff Dec 2016 #30

Not buying it at all. duffyduff Dec 2016 #29

Here are the actual voting results for Trumbull county Ohio for all 3 presidential elections. think Dec 2016 #31

This may interest you RoccoR2 Dec 2016 #35

Was there an overt racist and sexist running against Obama? tia uponit7771 Dec 2016 #9

PPP poll just showed 95% of Trump voters hate Obama. They also believe the stock market has been bettyellen Dec 2016 #23

Few did. n/t duffyduff Dec 2016 #28

"Trump gave them a choice between multiracial democracy and white primacy." Garrett78 Dec 2016 #34

+1! eom BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #6

Moving more to the right will get us nowhere fast NWCorona Dec 2016 #3

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2016 #11

Really, do you really believe that the independents who decide Presidential elections CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #12

Absolutely not. I didn't say we should swing that way either NWCorona Dec 2016 #13

I don't know about whether socialism is scary, but not it's not popular CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #14

To be honest I'm surprised the numbers are that high. NWCorona Dec 2016 #15

"To be honest I'm surprised the numbers are that high." NCTraveler Dec 2016 #20

The vast majority of "independents" are party loyalists who just like the term "independent." Garrett78 Dec 2016 #32

And millions more showed up to the polls for us. Many because of our message. nt. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #7

Who claims we lost swing states for not moving to the right? aikoaiko Dec 2016 #18

Loads of people who say we're too invested in "identity politics" is who. bettyellen Dec 2016 #24

It was only politicians and talking heads, not voters, who have said.... CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #25

And people here repeating that nonsense. Hate that RW framing myself. bettyellen Dec 2016 #26

That's not the same thing as moving to the right. aikoaiko Dec 2016 #27

Well, our conventional wisdom has always sucked. Too little too late is not necessarily a win. JCanete Dec 2016 #21

K&R mcar Dec 2016 #22

The TPP was supported by almost the entire GOP in congress & corporations. The overwhelming majority think Dec 2016 #33