2016 Postmortem

Buckeye_Democrat

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2. Running against Trump is about as favorable as someone can get.

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 04:31 PM

Dec 2016

Yet he lead Clinton by 20% over the question of special interest group influence.

I've seen people on DU mention Trump winning on immigration and terrorism, but the Pew poll didn't support that notion (except moderately on terrorism). On race relations, she was ahead of Trump by 40% -- 66% to 26%!

When she was seen courting money from big donors while promising they'd have little influence over her, even I didn't believe her... and I eagerly voted for her on the first day of early voting in Ohio! (Mostly because she was running against Trump.)

Comey's bullshit announcement of "reopening the email investigation" didn't help, and MAYBE the Russians actually helped steal the election for Trump too. The decades-long Republican witch hunt against her? That didn't help either.

It's still ludicrous (to me) that polls indicated a close general election against Trump, and I think concerns about big money influence played a role this time just like in 2008. If you watch the video that I posted, the talking heads spoke of Obama's 2008 campaign in similar terms to Trump's 2016 campaign -- e.g., "anti-establishment."

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2008 was a different time than 2016. 2008 was far more favorable for democrats JI7 Dec 2016 #1

Running against Trump is about as favorable as someone can get. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #2

look at the people elected to congress. establishment complaints were mostly JI7 Dec 2016 #4

How is it you can't understand that there is a difference BainsBane Dec 2016 #3

And they ignore feingolds loss JI7 Dec 2016 #5

Clinton beat Trump on "making wise trade policy decisions" in that same poll. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #7

I agree that many Americans are stupid and gullible. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #6

fdr was before civil rights JI7 Dec 2016 #8

And Obama was elected after civil rights. n/t Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #9

in a different environment but with same groups that supported Clinton JI7 Dec 2016 #10

He also remained just as "favorable" in the 2016 CNN exit polls as he did in 2012. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #13

Obama is a unique rate politician and there is nobody else like him JI7 Dec 2016 #14

Yeah, because the opinions of voters who think Obama is a Muslim BainsBane Dec 2016 #16

He lost some appeal to me with that appointment. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #17

Because you equate the 2008 and 16 elections as though they were comparable BainsBane Dec 2016 #15

She talked about campaign finance reform. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #18

Trump didn't win. Trump fixed the central vote counting machines with Putin's help UCmeNdc Dec 2016 #11

I sincerely hope that's the case and it's proven to be true. n/t Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #12