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2016 Postmortem

In reply to the discussion: 'Member Obama in 2008? [View all]

BainsBane

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3. How is it you can't understand that there is a difference
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 04:40 PM
Dec 2016

between an election following a deeply unpopular and unsuccessful GOP president and an 8 yr Democratic president? The last time a Democrat won in such a situation was Harry Truman. Do you even know when that was?

If voters were so concerned about big money, WTF did they elect Trump? Polls also show the majority of Trump voters think unemployment went up under Obama. That doesn't make it true. It means the epic level stupidity of voters is destroying this country. It fact it already has.

Before you pretend to have some sort of expertise for the Democratic Party, learn a little American history.
That you equate the election of 2008 with 2016 with absolutely no awareness of the different contexts is astounding.

And that you and others keep arguing about this like it has any relevance to what we are facing now shows a bizarre disconnect. Are you paying any attention to what Trump is doing? How you and others can even imagine that the political situation will be similar in 2018 or 2020 astounds me. You can remain mired in the past and repeat every meme about the election you heard on television, but it is absolutely irrelevant to anything.

Anti-Democrats had an opportunity to stand up for policies designed to reduce the influence of money in politics and chose instead to vote against them. We've seen an enormously important issue of campaign finance reform reduced to dishonest rhetoric and personal attacks--somehow used almost exclusively against women and black candidates--while they no longer show any interest in changing the laws that make the situation possible. Those who claim to be too progressive to vote for Clinton chose to instead promote the election of someone who has appointed five billionaires to his cabinet and is using the presidency to enrich himself. What people claim to care about is irrelevant. Actions are what matter. They worked to elect a government by and for billionaires, and that is exactly what they got.

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'Member Obama in 2008? [View all] Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 OP
2008 was a different time than 2016. 2008 was far more favorable for democrats JI7 Dec 2016 #1
Running against Trump is about as favorable as someone can get. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #2
look at the people elected to congress. establishment complaints were mostly JI7 Dec 2016 #4
How is it you can't understand that there is a difference BainsBane Dec 2016 #3
And they ignore feingolds loss JI7 Dec 2016 #5
Clinton beat Trump on "making wise trade policy decisions" in that same poll. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #7
I agree that many Americans are stupid and gullible. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #6
fdr was before civil rights JI7 Dec 2016 #8
And Obama was elected after civil rights. n/t Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #9
in a different environment but with same groups that supported Clinton JI7 Dec 2016 #10
He also remained just as "favorable" in the 2016 CNN exit polls as he did in 2012. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #13
Obama is a unique rate politician and there is nobody else like him JI7 Dec 2016 #14
Yeah, because the opinions of voters who think Obama is a Muslim BainsBane Dec 2016 #16
He lost some appeal to me with that appointment. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #17
Because you equate the 2008 and 16 elections as though they were comparable BainsBane Dec 2016 #15
She talked about campaign finance reform. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #18
Trump didn't win. Trump fixed the central vote counting machines with Putin's help UCmeNdc Dec 2016 #11
I sincerely hope that's the case and it's proven to be true. n/t Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #12
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