2016 Postmortem

NewJeffCT

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34. I don't think it poisoned the well for women

Thu Dec 15, 2016, 11:56 AM

Dec 2016

1) She won the popular vote by almost 3 million.
2) Trump turned out rural white voters that were anti-immigrant and racist, bigly improving on numbers that both Romney and McCain received. Romney and McCain both got in the 60-61m range, while Trump got 63m voters.
3) There was unprecedented outside interference from Russia and Wikileaks. I'm sure if Sanders had won the nomination, his emails would have been made public as well and anything he did in the past would have been dragged through the mud.

My concern is that the leading women in the Democratic Party are older. Who are the next generation of women leaders in the Democratic Party? Kirsten Gillibrand, Amy Klobuchar, Tammy Duckworth, Kamala Harris? Anybody else?

(Note - I'd say that about the men being older as well - Biden, Sanders, Schumer, Reid, Clyburn, etc. However, there are some younger men that should have good futures - the Castro brothers, Cory Booker, etc)

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On top of everything else, this may have poisoned the well for any woman for a generation. [View all] KamaAina Dec 2016 OP

Nope. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #1

I hope not, but you know it'll get thrown in anyone's face KamaAina Dec 2016 #2

And some people on DU thought Obama shouldn't be nominated because they thought a black man... PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #3

Yes indeed. elleng Dec 2016 #4

But this was our last free election Jean-Jacques Roussea Dec 2016 #6

The 2012 election was more likely the last "free" one. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #32

Exactly. Thanks. n/t Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #41

No. elleng Dec 2016 #5

The well was poisoned long before now. still_one Dec 2016 #7

What exactly is "this" in your title referring to? PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2016 #8

I would not think so DonCoquixote Dec 2016 #9

Of all the reasons Clinton lost the election, I consider the fact BlueProgressive Dec 2016 #10

+1 nt jonno99 Dec 2016 #27

+1. Paladin Dec 2016 #30

+1. And folks who keep saying she lost because of sexism don't get that the only voters who voted JudyM Dec 2016 #66

Only if we allow the media & the corporatocracy to poison it. baldguy Dec 2016 #11

Well - it's possible el_bryanto Dec 2016 #12

We have been clawing our way out of the poison well throughout history. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #13

A woman somehow managed to lose to a vulgar talking yam. KamaAina Dec 2016 #38

I don't get your point. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #45

The well was pre-poisoned. Orsino Dec 2016 #14

Hillary Clinton's gender was not the reason she lost Lurks Often Dec 2016 #15

Go ahead and engage in that fantasy. duffyduff Dec 2016 #17

Think what you like Lurks Often Dec 2016 #44

Denial, Egypt and all that. nt JTFrog Dec 2016 #25

while she faced obstacles due to her gender, Clinton's flaws and mistakes as a candidate geek tragedy Dec 2016 #16

Absolutely WRONG! Coyotl Dec 2016 #18

Sad but true. kentuck Dec 2016 #19

Women are stronger than you're giving them credit for. cry baby Dec 2016 #20

yes, because every time a white man loses no other white men are allowed to run La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #21

Lol, right? nt JTFrog Dec 2016 #26

This whole thread doesn't smack of sexism at all. nt LexVegas Dec 2016 #33

nothing is sexist now, unless it's being pro-woman. then it's sexist and identity politics. La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #35

It does indeed smack of sexism. KamaAina Dec 2016 #39

Fail. nt LexVegas Dec 2016 #22

Nonsense. (n/t) SMC22307 Dec 2016 #23

Dream on. "More Than 4,500 Women Have Signed Up to Run For Office Since the Election". JTFrog Dec 2016 #24

THIS! nt jonno99 Dec 2016 #28

that is awesome NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #43

Not a chance. WheelWalker Dec 2016 #29

Even if she'd won they'd say "The next time they run another Donald Trump, rzemanfl Dec 2016 #31

I don't think it poisoned the well for women NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #34

kamala harris is 52, Gillibrand is 50, amy K is 56. La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #36

I'm sure I missed several NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #46

No, but who knows who'll come up before 2020 La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #47

Remember the only female emperor of China? WhiteTara Dec 2016 #37

Interesting! Was just reading a similar story about a female pharaoh bettyellen Dec 2016 #50

In a man's world WhiteTara Dec 2016 #55

I really, really do not think so. Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #40

Quite the opposite zipplewrath Dec 2016 #42

It's possible NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #48

It's too bad that so many alleged feminists on here Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #49

I could not agree more, Crunchy. janx Dec 2016 #51

Hi. Howya doing? Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #56

Fine, thanks. Just finished grading janx Dec 2016 #59

Yes. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #61

You said it, Crunchy! TonyPDX Dec 2016 #57

It would be sad if people concluded that we can't run a woman again. Willie Pep Dec 2016 #60

I am not blaming the loss on her gender KamaAina Dec 2016 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author Lifelong Protester Dec 2016 #52

doesn't really apply if she's a republican. unblock Dec 2016 #53

It's been 12 years since we had a white male nominee. John Kerry really must have poisoned the well! tritsofme Dec 2016 #54

Oh bullshit bravenak Dec 2016 #58

GWB won, or at least took office. KamaAina Dec 2016 #62

I doubt it. The GOPers would have no problem electing a FR woman. Know any? Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #64

No way budkin Dec 2016 #65