2016 Postmortem

Ken Burch

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54. I'll concede the point as a general human concept.

Reply to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #49)

Thu Dec 15, 2016, 05:05 PM

Dec 2016

Again, though...why is it so hard to accept that it was simply the issues that prompted Bernie's decision to run?

His candidacy was never driven by opposition to the idea of a woman being president-if he had an issue with THAT, why would he have started out, before he decided to run, trying to get Elizabeth Warren to get into the race?

It's not as though Hillary's campaign started out on a set of proposals no one had any reason to feel were insufficient

And, even without embracing "socialism&quot Bernie's own proposals were the mildest possible version of social demcracy, the guy was far from a "Red" in the Cold War sense), Hillary could probably have seen him off early in the race if she had incorporated the need to stand up to corporate power into her program.

Bernie's candidacy didn't cause the Trump EC victory.

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I really don't understand the boomlet for Tom Perez as DNC head. [View all] geek tragedy Dec 2016 OP

maybe he's just an obama legacy protection device? nt msongs Dec 2016 #1

we already have one of those. It's called geek tragedy Dec 2016 #4

Frankly, im thankful for a classicly bitter anti-obama post from msongs. It dionysus Dec 2016 #80

Do the others have that experience? mcar Dec 2016 #2

Ellison served in the MN state legislature before wininng the primary and general election geek tragedy Dec 2016 #6

He won a Congressional district mcar Dec 2016 #8

We're way past needing a 50 state strategy FogerRox Dec 2016 #69

He has already stated that he will give up his House seat The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #76

Ellison has a lot of grassroots experience HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #3

So who do you want for the DNC head? rogue emissary Dec 2016 #5

leaning towards Ellison of the announced candidates, but wouldn't be displeased geek tragedy Dec 2016 #7

Most of the announced candidates don't have much experience leading a organization. rogue emissary Dec 2016 #14

I would rather have someone I've never heard of Yupster Dec 2016 #15

That's quite logical. :) rogue emissary Dec 2016 #18

Yepster!!!! NCTraveler Dec 2016 #63

He isn't a politician who endorsed Bernie Sanders in the primary? aidbo Dec 2016 #9

The reason I like him is the same reason I liked Dean hollowdweller Dec 2016 #10

That's the problem right there. Ligyron Dec 2016 #26

It's Simple Me. Dec 2016 #11

I have met and like Keith Ellison but I do not support his bid for DNC chair Gothmog Dec 2016 #12

So...NO Sanders supporter should have any significant role in this party? Ken Burch Dec 2016 #20

Your analysis is wrong yet again Gothmog Dec 2016 #31

Why is it so hard to accept that it was about the issues? Ken Burch Dec 2016 #48

There are many different ways each of appease our egos La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #49

I'll concede the point as a general human concept. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #54

Honestly I don't care why he ran. I just wish he had quit La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #55

You are so very wrong Gothmog Dec 2016 #67

They've become a cartoon by now. For hillary losing, anything that bernie touched must be shunned. dionysus Dec 2016 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author BlueProgressive Dec 2016 #24

Thank you. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #52

You think running a large Dept like Labor isn't big enough? Dean ran a small state and was a GREAT blm Dec 2016 #13

Plenty clearly want to limit Bernie's influence; Perez is not Ellison, so they love him. hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #16

The anti-Bernie crowd doesn't like Ellison because he has Bernie's support. Ace Rothstein Dec 2016 #17

Sanders supporters only want Ellison cause -BERNIE- KittyWampus Dec 2016 #46

Howard Dean is Tainted By Lobbying firerises Dec 2016 #70

tainted by lobbying. LOL! Sanders is tainted by not releasing his taxes. Ellison is tainted KittyWampus Dec 2016 #71

One of these things is not like the others... firerises Dec 2016 #72

Making excuses for the tax records is not helping anyone but Trump.... bettyellen Dec 2016 #74

There isn't a single person in this country that isn't "tainted" by one thing or another. George II Dec 2016 #78

First of all, before you respond to my post please remember that your next post will be #1000. StevieM Dec 2016 #50

Perez sees an opening and he's going for it. There's a big power vacuum right now. NWCorona Dec 2016 #19

DNC heads must raise plenty of money for the Party. Re: Citizens United oasis Dec 2016 #21

The government department that he runs has over 17,000 employees... SaschaHM Dec 2016 #22

Thank you, Sascha, for some facts on Sec of Labor, Tom Perez.. and he's Bi-Lingual! Cha Dec 2016 #58

Are we allowed to like both of them? LOL Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #23

I really like them both too. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #33

We need someone who can spur the party's enthusiasm again. I don't see it in this person. Vinca Dec 2016 #25

I like him Nonhlanhla Dec 2016 #27

I like him too, but just not sure if he knows anything about elections geek tragedy Dec 2016 #32

Aloha, Nonhlanhla.. And, he's bi-lingual.. I think importante.. Cha Dec 2016 #61

Slightly OT Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2016 #28

It's my understanding he removed himself from consideration. nt. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #30

I didn't hear about that Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2016 #37

Not sure who I am going to support either. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #38

Thanks. I missed that. Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2016 #39

K&R NCTraveler Dec 2016 #29

Looks like they're trying to dump Ellison Renew Deal Dec 2016 #34

so his main deal is that he's a very progressive Obama establishment guy? geek tragedy Dec 2016 #35

I agree Renew Deal Dec 2016 #36

He was labor secretary and has strong ties to organized labor La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #40

I love him as a cabinet secretary. But virtually zero electoral experience. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #41

i am not sure the role needs electoral experience La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #42

Those traits are necessary but not sufficient. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #47

to me those are the sufficient qualifications, actually running for office isn't La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #56

Plus, Tom Perez, was deciding between the DNC chair or running Cha Dec 2016 #60

he's never worked on campaigns either. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #65

The party's most pressing problem is not WWC voters mcar Dec 2016 #68

I agree LeftInTX Dec 2016 #44

AND.. he's bi-lingual.. Cha Dec 2016 #59

The media will never let go of ADL/anti-semite meme DeminPennswoods Dec 2016 #43

Anyone would be better than the disgusting anti-Semitism associated with Ellison. tritsofme Dec 2016 #45

Has Ellison himself said or done anything anti-Semitic? KamaAina Dec 2016 #51

Because one time Keith Ellison deviated from the bipartisan orthodoxy guillaumeb Dec 2016 #53

Because if we had Ellison leading the DNC.. aidbo Dec 2016 #57

I just read Ellisons bio. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #62

Here is why I like Tom Perez Gothmog Dec 2016 #66

That's an excellent reason for supporting Perez.... and not having another job is crucia bettyellen Dec 2016 #75

He is liked by all Democratic constiuencies...I like Keith but he will become the story...if Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #73

Now let me see, many Democrats have espoused the idea that we need someone..... George II Dec 2016 #77

Right now between him and Ellison I prefer the latter geek tragedy Dec 2016 #79